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Atlanta between July 3 1947 beyond the

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of the RA the game is rigged changed the

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside his way

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church on the game-changer radio network

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I need your help to get to the year 1980

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black with jimmy touch on the game

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for

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how you doing how you doing today's

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176 days into the new year only 190 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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planets a mural chibi Church what is

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crackin everybody

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how you doing are you doing all right

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tonight right here right here on this

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be talking about artificial intelligence

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tonight the good the bad and the ugly

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family emergency right before showtime

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tonight that's right

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right before showtime so our thoughts

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that we need to say right now go out to

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and he actually picked up the phone rizz

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Burke and so we got to thank rizz you

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to have somebody like rizz involved with

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levels over the years it's an honor and

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a privilege and I want to thank R is for

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stepping in which is not only going to

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covering artificial intelligence but

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has the very best the very brightest on

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not sure if you're listening right now

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here we go follow me on Twitter at Jay

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with Twitter ad Jay Church radio all

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it's always something see this is the

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thing just like your car right you drive

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your car all the time you ride your bike

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time with things they wear out you know

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we do a live show nearly every night of

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man worked out so it might be time for a

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see you guys just saw that on the bunker

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cam nevermind email is Jimmy at Jimmy

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Church radio calm hashtag f2b Q is fade

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at Jimmy Church radio calm got lots of

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breaking news lots of breaking news

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because last month it was murder Hornets

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remember that the murder Hornets those

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are no joke well today it's the Saharan

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dust hurricane the current Saharan dust

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episode is marching across the Atlantic

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the worst dust storm in decades over the

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tropical blue skies into a hazy brown

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gray color yesterday no today it was a

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sunset enhancing blue sky limiting

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tropical threat dust plume that

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station in Puerto Rico have reached the

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dust storm we're gonna find out right

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rumor has it there's murder Hornets in

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the cloud forecast models showed thicker

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concentration of blanketing most of

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timer for you here the American Civil

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administrative complaint with the

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Detroits Police Department over what

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known wrongful arrest involving facial

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recognition and technology according to

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the complaint Robert Williams was

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pulling into the driveway of his home in

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on a night back in January when a police

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vehicle suddenly drove up blocking him

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in officers lucked out place Williams

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under her arrest all of this in front of

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his family by the way and whisk him away

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to a detention center Detroit police

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stealing several watches from a local

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watch store but it turns out that the

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police were long that's right my cousin

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Vinnie the DPD used facial recognition

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software from dataworks plus and matched

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database which matched a security video

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from the store right there you go boom

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no investigation a positive ID right

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interrogation during which as the

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complaint says it became clear that his

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recognition identification that's right

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across the country but there are few

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rules right now governing how and where

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it can be deployed there's no federal

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regulations there's no laws there is not

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agencies and the Defense Department to

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all data collected on unidentified

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aerial phenomena that's right the

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provision contained in the annual

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intelligence authorization bill which

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still needs to be adopted by the way by

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the full Senate sets up a public debate

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on Capitol Hill and they want to know

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how extensively the government has been

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tracking high performance aircraft right

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you AP's now and i'm not sure if anybody

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on the hill is looking at any of this as

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an ET issue or anything off-planet the

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wording of everything says it's a

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concern with the possibility of another

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country having technology that we don't

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know about but of course there are those

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out there and there's gonna be

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journalists there's gonna be something

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New York Times you know and somebody out

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there is gonna start saying from the UFO

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community that this is a UFO issue and

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try to make it something that it isn't

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which is also fun by the way I dig it

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and I get it so there you go

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is it furthering the UFO issue not on

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the hill not in Washington it's not a

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UFO issue for them it's not it's a

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military issue our community is making

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it a UFO issue now I'm gonna close with

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this

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it's a sad day the segue the segue

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personal transport and there was known

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as the Segway PT will officially

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to an end this summer china-based

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ninebot which acquired segway back in

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2015 will finally halt production of the

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PT on July 15th 21 staffers still left

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will be laid off at its Bedford New

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Hampshire plant the Segway PT was

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finally revealed on December 30 2001 a

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Good Morning America inventor Dean Kaman

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and if you remember if you're old enough

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to remember back in 2000 it was right

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around 2000 Dean came and started this

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very secretive conversation and and

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leakage of the most important invention

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in the history of the world and people

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were thinking it was like a flying car

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and anti-gravity Parrish shoes you know

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something something insane and he hyped

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it up pretty good raised a lot of cash

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well it turned out to be the Segway and

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he said that urban transportation and

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its revolution was coming and cars would

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be obsolete and we'd they just allowed

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your imagination to run wild well it

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turned out to be the Segway the

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revolution lasted almost 19 years

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unbelievable he'd have a funeral yeah

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the Starworks artificial intelligence

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conference in Laughlin Nevada is going

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down November 5th through the 8th wants

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you to go to Starworks usa.com for

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tickets and info we're gonna be having

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to sky watches one on Thursday the fifth

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one on Friday the 6th we're gonna have a

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special guest and I'm gonna hose so you

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want to go there for that we're gonna

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have this at a special indigenous

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petroglyph site it's gonna be awesome so

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that's part of it James Fox is gonna be

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there with his movie the phenomenon Paul

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Heinrich is gonna be there Grant

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Cameron's gonna be there Alan Stillman I

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cannot wait for that it's going to be

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there Sid Goldberg's going to be there

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causing trouble and another dozen

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speakers alright Sixto Paz is gonna be

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witness and one of the sky watches you

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know the action is going to be going

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down in Laughlin Nevada get your tickets

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the biggest this is the biggest right

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it's the mass meditation disclosure fest

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October 10th Saturday one-day event

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20,000 people totally free stages music

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lots of sage burning you're gonna want

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to come and hang out man bring the

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family it's absolutely amazing at the

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historic Los Angeles Park in downtown

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Los Angeles

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please go visit disclosure fest org for

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all of your information you can also

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donate to all of the initiatives that

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are part of disclosure fest let's get

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the show crackin happy birthday to today

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Jeff Beck is 76 best guitar player in

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the world that's right Jeff Beck today

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76 years old Mick Fleetwood still doing

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it Mick Fleetwood today is 73 I believe

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he's in the Guinness Book of World

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Records as the world's tallest drummer

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that's ever been in Fleetwood Mac I

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believe that's a fact Rammstein

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guitarist Richard crucify today 53 years

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old unbelievable

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man great guitar player good guy - all

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right I'm the same history OTD 1997 US

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Air Force officials release a 231 page

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report dismissing long-standing claims

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of an alien spacecraft that crashed in

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Roswell New Mexico

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almost exactly 50 years earlier

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here's your fader fact especially

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tonight when we're talking about

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artifice

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intelligence and we you know this is for

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you Gregg Housh if you're out there

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because hacker Rafael gray posted a

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stolen data of over six and a half

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thousand credit cards and said that law

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enforcement was too incompetent they

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were a bunch of doofuses and they would

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never be able to stop him

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well then came hacker Chris Davis who

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saw the post and wasn't happy about it

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and didn't think it was cool so he

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hacked Gray's information and informed

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the FBI gray was arrested and that is

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your fader fact tonight very special

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guest rizz Burke is here we're talking

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about artificial intelligence tonight

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the good the bad and the ugly rizz is

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one of the smartest people that I know

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this conversation is gonna go in a lot

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of different directions I look forward

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to it rizz burg will be with us at the

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bottom of the hour tomorrow night is

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long now let me hit this River moon

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we're going to be talking about

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artificial intelligence with R is Burke

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and we're probably gonna go pretty deep

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at times with the technical sides of it

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and we'll of course talk about

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consciousness and AI but there are a

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couple of things that we probably won't

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get to get into the conversation so

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won't want to make sure that it gets

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discussed and one of those things I used

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to ask I used to do this a lot with

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guests in the past was this I would ask

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him hey if you could upload yourself

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onto a hard drive and live in the world

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of Tron would you do it right you've

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heard me ask that question probably a

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hundred times now on the surface this is

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an honest question and I'm certainly not

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the first to ask someone this it happens

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all the time and I hear it often in

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different discussions and interviews

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it's a subject with a lot of engineers

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and scientists I of course have thought

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about it a lot over the years now I've

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watched the original version of Tron

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countless times I can't even tell you

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how many times I've watched it this year

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I even got the video game back in the

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day not the old one like the

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second-generation version came out

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around 2000 and it was an excellent game

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and I played the crap out of it it was

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awesome

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I really dreamed about living as a

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program now the more research that I did

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the Tron fantasy is kind of faded away

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I really thought at some point that it

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was possible computers are faster

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today's hard drives are ginormous

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software is better or more complex

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artificial reality is nearly perfect and

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character generation in gaming has gone

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to a whole new level of realism the

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stage is set right let's go to Tron now

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to be very clear we will one day perhaps

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very soon

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we will be uploading entire memories

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onto a hard drive this is a goal set by

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countless engineers scientists companies

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and governments all around the world the

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race is on

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just ask DARPA ask rizz but there are

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two fundamental points that often get

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overlooked when this research is

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discussed and first if the entire

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content of an individual's brain is

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uploaded onto a drive what happens to

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consciousness your soul will this be

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carried forward does that transfer right

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does that come out to plug in the back

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of your head does that make it to the

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harddrive right right now of course we

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don't know I'm sure that DARPA Elon Musk

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and others have gotten pretty far with a

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workable interface but their results in

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current state of research her tightly

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held secrets the second point one that

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nobody talks about because it's totally

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a buzzkill

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is that even if you could or would

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upload your mind to a drive and

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everything was successful including your

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soul you would never share the

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experience you would be sitting there in

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your chair but the interface plugged in

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on the back of your head and at the

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instant the upload is complete right the

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meter fills out done upload complete the

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new you is off to the races alone you

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would not be walking around in the world

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of Tron it's someone else trying to

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solve this issue it gets very complex

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the first thing to consider is that

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maybe your consciousness transfers maybe

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you could be in two places at once right

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your soul is duplicated upload complete

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all good okay well how how how do you

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share the five senses what about sight

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smell touch hearing a taste how would

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that work how would it work how would

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you share it right it wouldn't work how

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could your brain see with your eyes two

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different things at the same time how

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would that happen and the second thing

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is and this is even a further stretch

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but the old you sitting in the chair

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would have to go I mean really go as in

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dead like Momo logic says that there

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can't actually be two of you so the old

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you is now growing cold right did you

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magically appear in the world of Tron

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probably not you roll the dice oops

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yeah and if you think about it and take

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all of these concepts even one step

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further the same issues come up with

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teleportation again not not to be a

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total buzzkill here but if you copy

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yourself and transfer that data to Mars

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that ain't you on Mars that's someone

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else can be in two places at the same

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time now portal stargates bending space

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wormholes those are totally different

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ideas and with each one it's you and

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only you

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making the trip not an upload so if you

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think about it we still got that going

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for us

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yeah it's pretty good now we'll a I have

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consciousness how will it have

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consciousness does it have to have

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consciousness all of these questions

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will be discussed tonight right here in

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our own little version of Tron that's

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right because our guest tonight is rizz

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Burke we are discussing artificial

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intelligence the good the bad and the

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ugly

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tomorrow night is another Fator night

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with open lines all night long

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here we go I am your host Jimmy church

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on the GameChanger network and kgr a the

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planet you can follow me right now on

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get the t-dot-com the tea that makes you

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go 9 out of 10 geneticists agreed fade

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to black

552
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is not your father's radio show on the

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game changer of Radio Network and K GRA

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the planets hi this is Rob Reiner from

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Apple and you're listening to Jimmy

556
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:02,230
welcome back pay to block I'm your host

557
00:32:07,419 --> 00:32:03,290
Jimmy church tonight

558
00:32:09,910 --> 00:32:07,429
Riz Burt is joining us Before we jump

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00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:09,920
into it I just got to say thank you to R

560
00:32:17,410 --> 00:32:13,610
is for stepping in literally minutes

561
00:32:22,090 --> 00:32:17,420
before show time tonight to fill the

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very big shoes of Greg house and Greg is

563
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:27,370
going right now oh man it's Risberg

564
00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:32,510
jimmy upstaged me well he got to it in

565
00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:34,190
an emergency like this who you gonna

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call

567
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:38,419
well R is Burke picked up the phone Riz

568
00:32:43,299 --> 00:32:41,510
Burke successful entrepreneur angel

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00:32:45,490 --> 00:32:43,309
investor best-selling author video game

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00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:45,500
industry pioneer and an independent film

571
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:48,020
producer risk currently runs Bayview

572
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:51,770
labs and play labs at MIT a startup

573
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:53,690
accelerator held on campus at the

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Massachusetts Institute of Technology

575
00:33:01,960 --> 00:32:58,880
rizz received a BS in computer science

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and engineering from MIT and an MS and

577
00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:05,480
management from Stanford's GSB rizz is a

578
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:07,640
Silicon Valley angel investor and his

579
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:09,830
startups include tap fish bingo run

580
00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:14,030
penny dreadful demin mande I'm not even

581
00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:16,580
sure I've never played that grim cards

582
00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:20,030
of fate Tapjoy telltale games discord

583
00:33:25,690 --> 00:33:22,940
fangio pocket gems moon express and many

584
00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:25,700
others rumor has it he's an ace at

585
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:28,760
pac-man rizz has produced many

586
00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:30,590
independent films including turquoise

587
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:33,190
Rose thrive what on earth will it take

588
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:35,570
serious and one of my favorite movies of

589
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all time the classic Knights of

590
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Badassdom starring Peter Dinklage his

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00:33:47,789 --> 00:33:43,940
books include treasure hunts I have it

592
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:47,799
the simulation hypothesis I have it and

593
00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:51,140
startup myths and models and he's got a

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special chapter and they were dedicated

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to fade to black

596
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Riz Burke how you doing man hey Jimmy

597
00:34:00,520 --> 00:33:57,350
good to be with you again

598
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:00,530
were you a pacman ace tell me the truth

599
00:34:04,810 --> 00:34:02,450
you know I used to play space invaders a

600
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:04,820
lot yeah it's more of an ASA on that

601
00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:07,130
game I think than pac-man what about C

602
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:08,389
you're showing your age what about

603
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:11,350
asteroids asteroid yeah I was pretty

604
00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:13,390
with asteroids as well I remember Galaga

605
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:16,360
was a lot of fun yeah is it Galaga or

606
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:18,970
Galaga you know it's a good question I

607
00:34:22,380 --> 00:34:20,590
always thought it was Galaga but that's

608
00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:22,390
I have to ask somebody who yeah nobody

609
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:23,680
was involved in making it you know

610
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:24,730
there's a lot of these guys still

611
00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:27,970
floating around what you don't you know

612
00:34:33,180 --> 00:34:31,390
what I really dug especially back in the

613
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:33,190
original console you know the home

614
00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:36,610
consoles Missile Command yeah you know

615
00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:38,440
there's a whole book about the creation

616
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:40,660
of Missile Command and how the guy that

617
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:43,690
created it you know he was making a game

618
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:46,510
about nuclear war between the Soviets

619
00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:49,150
and the Americans and he started to have

620
00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:51,460
nightmares about this scenario

621
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:53,320
eventually they changed it so that it

622
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:54,790
was kind of a neutral thing it wasn't

623
00:34:58,500 --> 00:34:57,310
necessarily a US vs USSR but there's a

624
00:35:00,240 --> 00:34:58,510
whole book about the history of that

625
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:00,250
game wait a minute I mean that wasn't

626
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:05,680
about the US versus the USSR everybody

627
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:10,330
assumed exactly that was the idea that

628
00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:12,250
they pitched Atari and then you know

629
00:35:16,650 --> 00:35:14,830
they took some time to build it but it

630
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:16,660
really got under the the creators skin I

631
00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:18,010
don't remember his name now but it's

632
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:20,260
called an 8-bit apocalypse that the name

633
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:22,270
of the book that was about this man

634
00:35:25,710 --> 00:35:23,890
definitely if you're in the video game

635
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:25,720
history it's worth the read yeah I just

636
00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:27,550
thought it was really sophisticated I

637
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:29,740
always thought you know space invaders

638
00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:32,890
which everybody played and I did too I

639
00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:36,150
just thought it was kind of childlike

640
00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:40,060
but Missile Command that was the adult

641
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,780
game right because you also started to

642
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,480
move away from just reflexes to strategy

643
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,880
strategy base are you gonna protect and

644
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:51,280
and so that led to you know strategy

645
00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:53,500
games coming down the pike eventually

646
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:56,830
yeah and the gaming industry and this is

647
00:36:01,320 --> 00:35:58,810
what we're going to be talking about

648
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:01,330
artificial intelligence tonight and one

649
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:05,230
of the things that gets overlooked now I

650
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:07,150
talked to Issac Arthur about this a lot

651
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:09,670
because he's into game development these

652
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:12,730
very sophisticated sci-fi games and and

653
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:14,650
also writing and you know he's a

654
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:17,700
physicist it's a great combination

655
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,370
of things for him because he is able to

656
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:23,160
look at the universe but he collaborates

657
00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:28,140
with very very intelligent people in the

658
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:30,840
gaming industry that come from sci-fi

659
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,320
and they they have these science

660
00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:37,680
backgrounds all of this applied into the

661
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:41,480
gaming world to create layers and

662
00:36:49,850 --> 00:36:45,480
realistic environments for you to to

663
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,860
game in but the individual character

664
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:52,800
development you know and the things that

665
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:54,690
are running around in the background and

666
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:57,960
the you know these these autonomous that

667
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:01,140
is artificial intelligence I don't care

668
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:04,140
what anybody says about the development

669
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:07,530
of the gaming industry is on par and on

670
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:09,840
pace with the development of anything

671
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:11,880
else computer related on this planet

672
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:14,670
it's very sophisticated isn't it yeah

673
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:16,170
it's very true and not a lot of people

674
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:17,460
realize this but the history of

675
00:37:21,590 --> 00:37:20,040
computers is very much the history of

676
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:21,600
videogames right when you think about

677
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:24,540
the ways that we've optimized you know

678
00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:26,010
you know there's Moore's law about how

679
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:28,950
processors double and speed every 18

680
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:31,050
months but if you look at why do they

681
00:37:35,330 --> 00:37:33,510
need to double why do we need faster

682
00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:35,340
processing historically it's been so we

683
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:37,590
can process more graphics and what's

684
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,420
been driving graphics it's been video

685
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,240
games if you look at the first real AI

686
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,880
of any type that was implemented it was

687
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:47,280
a chess-playing computer from presser

688
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:49,320
Claude Shannon who was at MIT employ in

689
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:51,720
Bell Labs you know back in the 1950s and

690
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:54,660
if you think about how AI is implemented

691
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,730
today I mean there's you know simple

692
00:38:01,400 --> 00:37:58,640
stuff that was around a while ago like

693
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:01,410
chatbots are around today you know they

694
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:03,780
came from sort of it Eliza which is like

695
00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:07,890
a gaming type of interface but if you

696
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:10,230
look at how AI is implemented today it's

697
00:38:15,110 --> 00:38:12,690
mostly using GPUs right the company

698
00:38:16,850 --> 00:38:15,120
Nvidia's is the biggest provider of GPUs

699
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:16,860
and what it was just GPU stand for

700
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:19,050
graphics processing units and why do you

701
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,300
need graphics processing units it's for

702
00:38:24,590 --> 00:38:23,040
gaming that's really why they were

703
00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:24,600
developed in the first place so and

704
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,230
gaming is so resource intensive that it

705
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:30,480
really kind of gets the hardware to do

706
00:38:34,579 --> 00:38:31,200
its paces

707
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:34,589
so you end up you know like the iPhone

708
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,290
for example nobody realized that like

709
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,880
Apple didn't know that gaming was going

710
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:40,800
to be its most popular application in

711
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:43,170
the first 10 years of the iPhone and so

712
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,420
they had to keep upgrading the CPU so

713
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:47,520
more and more you see that gaming is

714
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:50,010
related to pretty much any aspect of

715
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:51,570
technology that's developed over the

716
00:38:59,300 --> 00:38:56,490
last you know 30 40 50 years now the the

717
00:39:03,560 --> 00:38:59,310
amount of money let's talk dollars and

718
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:03,570
cents here's we start to unroll this

719
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:05,640
conversation tonight the amount of money

720
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:14,930
not only is it big but most people don't

721
00:39:21,069 --> 00:39:18,359
have a concept of it gamers do right

722
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:21,079
when you look at twitch and you look at

723
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:25,619
the the the staying in front of

724
00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:29,010
technology of the things like zoom and

725
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:32,550
Skype this is these are concepts online

726
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:35,640
gaming and partnering headsets

727
00:39:42,319 --> 00:39:38,130
microphones communication two-way

728
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:42,329
communication networking this all

729
00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:44,609
developed out of the gaming industry and

730
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:48,329
how things drive forward based on around

731
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:51,510
games and the money is huge a successful

732
00:39:58,339 --> 00:39:56,339
game dwarfs a Hollywood movie right yeah

733
00:39:59,960 --> 00:39:58,349
if you look at the total revenue the

734
00:40:01,640 --> 00:39:59,970
gaming industry the video game industry

735
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:01,650
it's over a hundred billion dollars a

736
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:04,020
year and so that is more than the

737
00:40:07,309 --> 00:40:05,880
Hollywood box-office in a given year

738
00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:07,319
that's crazy

739
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:09,150
and and the part of the reason why it's

740
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,890
gotten so big is you know used to be

741
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,720
just people with consoles we're playing

742
00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:14,520
video games but you know with the

743
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:16,470
introduction of mobile games and

744
00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:19,619
smartphones pretty much everybody plays

745
00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:21,750
games so you have millions and hundreds

746
00:40:25,849 --> 00:40:24,150
of millions of casual players who are

747
00:40:29,780 --> 00:40:25,859
playing like candy crush and games like

748
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:29,790
that you've got fortnight right if some

749
00:40:32,530 --> 00:40:30,660
of your listeners haven't played

750
00:40:35,059 --> 00:40:32,540
fortnight your kids probably have right

751
00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:35,069
it's one of the most popular games on

752
00:40:38,839 --> 00:40:37,470
the planet there's Minecraft and you're

753
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,849
right that there's so much of this

754
00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:40,740
technology like you may have heard of

755
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:43,470
discord which is a really well known

756
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:45,960
chat app and voice communication and

757
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:47,910
there it's used in cryptocurrency it's

758
00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:49,890
used in a lot of places but not many

759
00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:51,750
people know discord actually started as

760
00:40:56,660 --> 00:40:54,780
a video game company they had a what's

761
00:40:57,980 --> 00:40:56,670
called a MOBA game kind of like League

762
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:57,990
of Legends for mobile I didn't quite

763
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,119
work out but they had built this kind of

764
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:02,160
cool chat app and they said they

765
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,410
released it as a separate app and now

766
00:41:08,420 --> 00:41:06,000
it's one of the most downloaded apps of

767
00:41:09,980 --> 00:41:08,430
all time same would slack many people

768
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:09,990
who are listening probably you slack for

769
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,420
work it turns out slack was also a game

770
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:13,920
company and the game didn't quite work

771
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:15,780
out but they had built some interesting

772
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,490
communication tools and they released it

773
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:20,640
so those are like two recent examples of

774
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,140
things that have come out of the the

775
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:24,000
video game industry but with eSports now

776
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,450
I mean if you're under 30 you probably

777
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,280
more likely pay attention to eSports

778
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:32,160
competitive video games than you are to

779
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,410
the NFL or the average age of the NFL

780
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:36,720
viewer is like fifty five or something

781
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:40,619
like that yeah I watched I don't know if

782
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:43,770
it was I can't remember if it was

783
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:46,380
fortnight or what the what the what the

784
00:41:51,020 --> 00:41:48,330
competition was here at Staples Center

785
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,030
yes probably League of Legend of Legends

786
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:54,240
right and I'm white the riots right and

787
00:42:00,020 --> 00:41:57,690
not only that element of it it was the

788
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:00,030
spectacle that was there you would have

789
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:03,420
thought Michael Jordan just came back

790
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:07,170
out of retirement right right and now

791
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:08,609
you have sports teams like the

792
00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:11,150
Philadelphia 76ers who are buying into

793
00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:13,619
eSports teams right I mean they're

794
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:15,750
realizing that the future of competitive

795
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,640
sports may actually be online and

796
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:19,500
certainly with you know this recent

797
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:23,430
lockdown right Sports is continuing on

798
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:25,170
whereas traditional sports has been

799
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:27,180
blocked a bit because of the need to go

800
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:29,910
to the arena so it's a it's really

801
00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:33,150
pervasive so you know I was talking with

802
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,940
a professor at Stanford Business School

803
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:36,960
saying you know we should teach a class

804
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:39,510
on the the video game industry and he

805
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:41,010
said oh that sounds like a niche you

806
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:42,839
know industry to me and I said do you

807
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:44,550
realize how big gaming is I don't think

808
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:46,650
he does because even in my generation

809
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,270
right we used to play on the Atari and

810
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:50,400
the consoles but it's the younger

811
00:42:56,359 --> 00:42:52,710
generations for whom it's it's like life

812
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:56,369
basically when somebody says that to you

813
00:43:04,730 --> 00:42:59,099
an age group that maybe above you just

814
00:43:07,099 --> 00:43:04,740
walk away just walk your not gonna plant

815
00:43:09,319 --> 00:43:07,109
a flag there Riz you're not gonna change

816
00:43:11,749 --> 00:43:09,329
somebody's life you're not quite

817
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:11,759
now now Sita the reason why I bring that

818
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:16,650
up is this the recruitment at colleges

819
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:20,880
for coders that want to get into the

820
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,420
gaming industry that is but that's about

821
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:26,640
as competitive as it as it gets in

822
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:28,950
college these days but the same

823
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:32,369
recruitment pursuits are going after

824
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:37,200
those that want to develop and move into

825
00:43:44,359 --> 00:43:41,130
a career in artificial intelligence the

826
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:44,369
amount of money that is spent globally

827
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:48,630
on artificial intelligence for that race

828
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:52,440
is is again completely daunting and most

829
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:54,569
people don't know what is going on

830
00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:58,440
behind the scenes is the race for the

831
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:00,390
you know somebody's gotta cross the

832
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:02,609
finish line first with artificial

833
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:06,150
intelligence is that I just lost my

834
00:44:12,019 --> 00:44:09,480
connection with R is okay where is are

835
00:44:15,979 --> 00:44:12,029
you there yep I'm here now how can

836
00:44:21,529 --> 00:44:15,989
somebody from MIT computer science

837
00:44:27,799 --> 00:44:21,539
degree BS have have have a shaky phone

838
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:27,809
connection to the Wi-Fi yeah it does it

839
00:44:35,499 --> 00:44:32,249
does but but the the the race

840
00:44:37,999 --> 00:44:35,509
that is on right now globally between

841
00:44:42,999 --> 00:44:38,009
engineers scientists corporations

842
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,009
companies universities state actors

843
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:46,640
around the world the goal right now

844
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,130
isn't to have the best game right it's

845
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:52,079
it's the winner for artificial

846
00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:54,180
intelligence that's where the game is

847
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:56,670
played today right yeah I mean that is

848
00:45:01,370 --> 00:44:59,130
the the biggest kind of segment where

849
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:01,380
the most money is going in terms of

850
00:45:05,749 --> 00:45:02,910
investment and that's true

851
00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:05,759
here in Silicon Valley right if you look

852
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,799
at different startups I mean there are

853
00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:09,480
funds that have been formed

854
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:12,030
for investing in AI there are startup

855
00:45:18,380 --> 00:45:14,310
accelerators and it's because there are

856
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:18,390
so many different potential applications

857
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:20,430
of AI I mean you talked about the facial

858
00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:23,130
recognition right with with deep fakes

859
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:25,619
and you know I just tweeted a picture of

860
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,750
using deep fake technology to turn you

861
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,400
Jimmy into a female let's see what you

862
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:30,720
might look like you know just as an

863
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,220
example it's gotten you've probably seen

864
00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:34,560
the ones of William Shatner out there

865
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:36,540
right that show him right yep Tim Kirk

866
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:39,030
as a female and so you know the

867
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:41,030
technology is getting better and better

868
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:43,050
to be able to do that but there's so

869
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:44,670
many different applications that AI is

870
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:46,859
very broad it's kind of like saying the

871
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:48,660
web you know back in the 90s right

872
00:45:53,330 --> 00:45:50,790
originally that was like one market and

873
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:53,340
then it broke off so that everything was

874
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:56,010
related to the Internet and the web it

875
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,900
just mattered you know what kind of

876
00:46:01,700 --> 00:45:59,520
business were you in on the web were you

877
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:01,710
ecommerce were you an existing business

878
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:03,270
that was getting on the web or your

879
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:05,010
development to or you content are your

880
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:06,900
social network there's so many different

881
00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:09,470
aspects of it now what's what's

882
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:12,630
reviewing is that at MIT you know if you

883
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:14,940
went back 50 years there was just the

884
00:46:18,590 --> 00:46:16,530
Department of Electrical Engineering

885
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:18,600
right and then when I was there in the

886
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:20,910
90s as an undergraduate by then we had

887
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:22,170
electrical engineering and computer

888
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:24,390
science and they were both part of the

889
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:25,859
department of engineering which was one

890
00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:27,630
of like or School of Engineering there

891
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:29,580
were like four schools right liberal

892
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:32,910
arts Business School etc and just I

893
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,859
think last year or the year before they

894
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:37,920
created a new school now that's a big

895
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,020
deal that doesn't happen very often and

896
00:46:45,590 --> 00:46:42,900
in this school was the school for

897
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,600
computing and one of the big reasons

898
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,760
they did this was because a I was gonna

899
00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:49,800
impact pretty much every single industry

900
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:52,470
out there and so they wanted they needed

901
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,940
an entire school with lots of

902
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:55,680
departments right before computer

903
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,290
science was a department within the you

904
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:00,900
know the School of Engineering now it's

905
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:04,140
a whole new school on how AI is going to

906
00:47:09,590 --> 00:47:07,650
be basically make an impact on all these

907
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:09,600
different industries so that gives you a

908
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:11,250
sense of kind of how important people

909
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,660
are viewing it in the technology world

910
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:15,200
now okay

911
00:47:20,530 --> 00:47:18,300
the there are some fundamental questions

912
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:20,540
that we've got to get out of the way and

913
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:22,350
without you know

914
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:25,140
having an entire conversation on rakers

915
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:29,610
well rice and we have an immense amount

916
00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:33,000
of fear porn going on out there

917
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:34,940
and there are others out there that

918
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:36,930
absolutely say we have nothing to worry

919
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:40,470
about okay so we have the two extremes

920
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:42,390
it's going to play out somewhere in the

921
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:46,260
middle I am sure but as far as a time

922
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:49,050
scale and we've got to get to

923
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:50,640
definitions too because we have

924
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:52,830
artificial intelligence then we have a

925
00:47:59,780 --> 00:47:57,660
GI swimming around with both of those we

926
00:48:02,720 --> 00:47:59,790
have machine learning right okay

927
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:02,730
as far as artificial intelligence goes a

928
00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:06,290
fully independent thinking conscience

929
00:48:13,070 --> 00:48:09,600
conscious computing system how many

930
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:13,080
years out are we is this next week or is

931
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:16,920
this 2050 well you know there's a lot of

932
00:48:20,540 --> 00:48:18,810
different estimates out there for how

933
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:20,550
long it's going to take to develop a GI

934
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:23,190
and you know the the Turing test which

935
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:24,690
we've talked about before on this show

936
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:28,140
which was put out by Alan Turing and he

937
00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:29,850
called it the imitation game where he

938
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:31,740
said it's behind curtain 1 you have a

939
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:33,480
computer and he was thinking in terms of

940
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:35,640
hardware today we know AI is more

941
00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:37,830
software but you know back then they

942
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:39,990
thought of it as hardware and behind

943
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:41,490
curtain 2 as a person and you're just

944
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:44,940
sending messages back and forth the if

945
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:46,050
you could not tell the difference

946
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:48,330
between the computer and the human then

947
00:48:52,850 --> 00:48:50,330
you would say that that computer passes

948
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:52,860
the imitation game or today we call it

949
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:55,110
the passing the Turing test now we're

950
00:49:00,320 --> 00:48:56,970
not there yet in terms of fully

951
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:00,330
interactive conversations but you know a

952
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,610
couple years ago Google or actually just

953
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:05,040
last year Google had this thing where

954
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:06,930
they they free Otis called Google duplex

955
00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:08,190
I think where they can make phone calls

956
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:10,560
to book you an appointment and say a

957
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:13,110
hair salon and it was generating a voice

958
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:16,260
and it was so close to human that the

959
00:49:20,330 --> 00:49:17,970
people in the hair salons couldn't tell

960
00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:20,340
the difference so Google had to add a

961
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:22,230
little thing saying this is an automated

962
00:49:27,140 --> 00:49:24,660
call right because it would insert

963
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:27,150
little things like ah and um you know

964
00:49:31,610 --> 00:49:30,030
into the conversation and so you know

965
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:31,620
we're getting close to being able to

966
00:49:36,259 --> 00:49:33,450
pass the Turing test for some things but

967
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:36,269
of course that's a phone call in a

968
00:49:42,139 --> 00:49:40,079
scenario or a specific use case and of

969
00:49:44,389 --> 00:49:42,149
course you've probably heard that you

970
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:44,399
know AI has beat the world's best chess

971
00:49:50,059 --> 00:49:48,089
players more recently they had they were

972
00:49:51,709 --> 00:49:50,069
able to beat some of professional goal

973
00:49:53,989 --> 00:49:51,719
players in the world and turns out this

974
00:49:55,279 --> 00:49:53,999
was a lot harder now the way people used

975
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,289
to think of AI I mentioned Claude

976
00:50:00,139 --> 00:49:57,599
Shannon and he wrote a paper back in the

977
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:00,149
50s who's sort of the father of

978
00:50:03,799 --> 00:50:02,249
information theory and he said you know

979
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:03,809
if you think of different ways that AI

980
00:50:08,059 --> 00:50:06,359
applies to games it actually gives you a

981
00:50:11,029 --> 00:50:08,069
good model for how AI applies to the

982
00:50:13,609 --> 00:50:11,039
world and in the first instance the a I

983
00:50:15,979 --> 00:50:13,619
would just take the rules of chess and

984
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:15,989
just be able to follow the rules in the

985
00:50:20,959 --> 00:50:18,359
second instance it would go forward at

986
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:20,969
such speeds and project forward all the

987
00:50:25,099 --> 00:50:23,130
possible scenarios and choose the best

988
00:50:27,259 --> 00:50:25,109
one so that's still kind of an

989
00:50:30,469 --> 00:50:27,269
old-school paradigm of AI which is

990
00:50:33,409 --> 00:50:30,479
rule-based and the first wave of AI came

991
00:50:36,229 --> 00:50:33,419
in the 80s and 90s it was called expert

992
00:50:37,489 --> 00:50:36,239
systems and it was all rule-based and

993
00:50:38,929 --> 00:50:37,499
then you know someone came up with a

994
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:38,939
bright idea of neural networks and so

995
00:50:43,129 --> 00:50:40,529
Claude Shannon back in the fifties said

996
00:50:45,259 --> 00:50:43,139
eventually you could have an AI that

997
00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:45,269
could play video games without needing

998
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:48,059
to learn the rules right and the idea

999
00:50:51,769 --> 00:50:50,099
was it would just play the game and as

1000
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:51,779
it played the game it would learn the

1001
00:50:55,459 --> 00:50:53,849
rules now he didn't know about neural

1002
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:55,469
networks back then but between neural

1003
00:50:59,059 --> 00:50:57,059
networks and deep learning machine

1004
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,069
learning algorithms today that's what

1005
00:51:04,609 --> 00:51:01,319
happened with this program I think it

1006
00:51:07,339 --> 00:51:04,619
was alphago was the man alphago yeah

1007
00:51:09,319 --> 00:51:07,349
yeah and so it would just play games and

1008
00:51:11,689 --> 00:51:09,329
it started off really bad right it would

1009
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:11,699
just play a game and lose but every time

1010
00:51:15,439 --> 00:51:13,380
it played a game it would learn and then

1011
00:51:17,389 --> 00:51:15,449
it played itself right and this is where

1012
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,399
the exponential you know learning comes

1013
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:19,859
in because obviously an AI can play

1014
00:51:25,669 --> 00:51:23,339
itself many more times then a human can

1015
00:51:27,229 --> 00:51:25,679
play a particular game and eventually it

1016
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:27,239
learned the rules so nobody had to

1017
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:29,609
program the rules and so that's kind of

1018
00:51:34,879 --> 00:51:31,619
the second wave of AI that we're in

1019
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:34,889
today which is this idea of learning

1020
00:51:41,059 --> 00:51:39,059
through examples training sets you know

1021
00:51:43,879 --> 00:51:41,069
even today's self-driving cars you know

1022
00:51:44,989 --> 00:51:43,889
I actually live in between Boston and

1023
00:51:47,310 --> 00:51:44,999
Mountain View when I'm in Mountain View

1024
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:47,320
I live right down the road from Google

1025
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,050
and you know when I moved here in 2007 I

1026
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:52,480
started to see these weird cars with

1027
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:54,310
these weird cameras on and turns out

1028
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,050
they were Google's early prototype for

1029
00:52:00,090 --> 00:51:58,000
self-driving cars and now it's fairly

1030
00:52:02,610 --> 00:52:00,100
common to see them you know all over and

1031
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:02,620
you know they rely on a combination of

1032
00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:04,840
rules I mean the system has to know

1033
00:52:09,690 --> 00:52:06,280
something about the rules of the road

1034
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:09,700
and learning from images and it's taking

1035
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:11,110
all these pictures and originally the

1036
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:12,820
camera used to spin around now they just

1037
00:52:16,290 --> 00:52:14,590
have lenses that face every direction so

1038
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:16,300
it doesn't have to spin but they used to

1039
00:52:19,770 --> 00:52:17,920
just literally spin around and take all

1040
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:19,780
these images and and that's how they

1041
00:52:24,810 --> 00:52:21,250
would figure it out and so I'm giving

1042
00:52:26,730 --> 00:52:24,820
you a long-winded answer here but the so

1043
00:52:28,620 --> 00:52:26,740
we're in that phase of AI right now

1044
00:52:31,230 --> 00:52:28,630
which is kind of the machine learning

1045
00:52:33,330 --> 00:52:31,240
phase I'm personally of the opinion that

1046
00:52:36,690 --> 00:52:33,340
it's gonna take a while before we get

1047
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:36,700
artificial general intelligence and so I

1048
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:39,190
put it out even further you know there's

1049
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:42,790
some estimates here that 2039 I spin the

1050
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:44,650
singularity right ray kurzweil you

1051
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:46,690
mentioned right and you know the

1052
00:52:51,210 --> 00:52:48,310
singularity is a term that was defined

1053
00:52:52,830 --> 00:52:51,220
by a sci-fi writer Verner wind vinge

1054
00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:52,840
who's also a computer science professor

1055
00:53:00,180 --> 00:52:56,710
and he said it's the point beyond which

1056
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:00,190
things change and there are different

1057
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:01,810
ways that could happen one of the ways

1058
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:04,690
is you get exponential intelligence

1059
00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:07,270
explosion so that the computers become

1060
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:09,100
smarter than humans and I think that's

1061
00:53:13,070 --> 00:53:11,740
which leads to a lot of these doomsday

1062
00:53:15,180 --> 00:53:13,080
scenarios that people are worried about

1063
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,190
Kurzweil also talks about being able to

1064
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:17,680
upload your consciousness to Silicon as

1065
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:20,050
an aspect of the singularity as well and

1066
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:23,170
so I think he had said 2039 personally I

1067
00:53:29,370 --> 00:53:27,130
think it's closer you know to 2075 and

1068
00:53:31,890 --> 00:53:29,380
the reason I think that is because I

1069
00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:31,900
feel like this wave of AI and deep

1070
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:33,700
learning is gonna go pretty far much

1071
00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:36,850
further than the previous wave did in

1072
00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:38,260
fact the previous wave was kind of seen

1073
00:53:42,810 --> 00:53:40,750
as a disappointment this time for very

1074
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:42,820
specific tasks whether it's you know

1075
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:45,520
identifying people or there's AI now

1076
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:47,830
that's been shown to be better at

1077
00:53:52,890 --> 00:53:50,710
diagnosing you know cancer from looking

1078
00:53:54,930 --> 00:53:52,900
at x-rays or different diseases from

1079
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:54,940
looking at x-rays in fact when I was at

1080
00:54:00,960 --> 00:53:57,610
MIT last year I think or two years ago

1081
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,970
there was a company that was basically

1082
00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:03,520
training these different x-rays of CT

1083
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:05,980
scans it was training the AI based upon

1084
00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:08,020
this and so right now there's still a

1085
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:09,640
lot of training you have to do you can't

1086
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:12,010
just say turn on the AI and it's gonna

1087
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:14,650
do whatever you want it to do right we

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don't have data yes we can just say you

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00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:18,460
know talk to him and have them learned

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00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:20,560
anything and have them read the history

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00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:23,250
of whatever subject we want them to read

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00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:26,260
but I feel like there's still another

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00:54:29,550 --> 00:54:27,610
breakthrough and we haven't quite

1094
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:29,560
figured out what that breakthrough is so

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00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:31,270
I have a feeling this wave is gonna play

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00:54:37,410 --> 00:54:34,900
out over the next decade and then there

1097
00:54:40,830 --> 00:54:37,420
may be another decade or two before we

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00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:40,840
get you know to that final phase but you

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00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:41,950
know in the overall scheme of things

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00:54:47,340 --> 00:54:43,270
that's not that far right if you think

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00:54:50,970 --> 00:54:47,350
about it yeah weather is 2050 2075 2100

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00:54:53,310 --> 00:54:50,980
it's within 150 years or 100 years

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00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:53,320
really of the first computers right so

1104
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:54,880
that's actually happening pretty quickly

1105
00:54:59,370 --> 00:54:57,370
on a cosmic timescale now do you think

1106
00:55:02,960 --> 00:54:59,380
we've got about two minutes before the

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00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:02,970
break three minutes do you think that

1108
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:05,380
those that are dealing with machine

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00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,560
learning right now and certainly alphago

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00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:11,200
was a really good example of this which

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00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:14,950
is it's not massive amounts of code it's

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00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:18,160
not Kay locks for days it's actually the

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00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:22,570
opposite it's very very simple code you

1114
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:26,460
know for that just a fundamental set of

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00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:29,290
instructions to go and learn anything

1116
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:32,050
just like with a baby a baby just learns

1117
00:55:38,610 --> 00:55:36,370
on its own right you can teach but it's

1118
00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:38,620
going to learn on its own it's got a

1119
00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:41,380
very fundamental subset when it's born

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00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:43,720
and you are able to teach it and that

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00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:47,310
it's it the races to the simple code

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00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,410
like with alphago it wasn't learning

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00:55:55,650 --> 00:55:52,960
every possible move and go right that's

1124
00:56:00,510 --> 00:55:55,660
more stars in the universe than you have

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00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:00,520
with possible moves on a go board so it

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00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:02,650
was it was another approach that made

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00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:06,550
alphago work yeah and in fact it wasn't

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00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,010
so much the code so there was some code

1129
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:11,440
and some some simple rules but the way

1130
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:13,240
that deep learning words in the way that

1131
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:13,980
neural networks in

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00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:16,530
general work is you have a a set of

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00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:19,170
nodes like neurons and they have weights

1134
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:21,000
between them and what happens is when

1135
00:56:26,330 --> 00:56:23,670
you put give it examples what's actually

1136
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:26,340
changing is the value of the weights and

1137
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:28,170
the connections right if you think about

1138
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:30,690
it Google became a better search engine

1139
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:33,300
then you know Yahoo and excite and all

1140
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:35,220
these others because they focused on the

1141
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:37,770
links between websites and so what we're

1142
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,630
really doing when we do machine learning

1143
00:56:45,590 --> 00:56:41,520
is we're focusing in on the weights

1144
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:45,600
between the the layers of neurons and so

1145
00:56:49,099 --> 00:56:46,980
there's a lotta we won't have time to

1146
00:56:50,810 --> 00:56:49,109
get in the details and but there's lots

1147
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:50,820
of different ways to do that but they

1148
00:56:55,820 --> 00:56:53,670
basically as you say you know this is a

1149
00:56:58,190 --> 00:56:55,830
winning move this is not a winning move

1150
00:56:59,960 --> 00:56:58,200
and if you do that you know a hundred

1151
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,970
times a thousand times ten thousand

1152
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:02,400
times a million times the Machine starts

1153
00:57:06,859 --> 00:57:04,260
to learn what the best outcomes are and

1154
00:57:08,780 --> 00:57:06,869
that gets put into the data so depending

1155
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:08,790
on how many layers you have you might

1156
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,500
not even have that many compared to like

1157
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:13,200
a brain which might have billions of

1158
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:14,670
neurons

1159
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:16,770
most of these neural networks don't have

1160
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:18,510
you know anywhere near that number right

1161
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:20,280
you may have a dozen in a layer right

1162
00:57:24,290 --> 00:57:22,770
but it's the weights between them that

1163
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,300
really make the difference in learning

1164
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:25,440
and that's the only thing that's

1165
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:27,030
changing while it's learning

1166
00:57:32,810 --> 00:57:29,910
yeah with alphago and I've watched the

1167
00:57:36,590 --> 00:57:32,820
documentary a few times there's a

1168
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:36,600
specific moment in the championship this

1169
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:39,720
went down in South Korea right you know

1170
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:41,700
you've got what 30 40 million people

1171
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:44,490
watching live like the Super Bowl it was

1172
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:48,330
I believe it was moved 36 right and it's

1173
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:51,690
alphago's move plays this unorthodox

1174
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:53,970
move away from the action on the game

1175
00:58:03,230 --> 00:57:58,260
right and makes this move the kid the

1176
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:03,240
world champion retired right it was like

1177
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:06,170
it was a move later but he realized

1178
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:09,090
right then and it was to like it was a

1179
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:10,710
move that nobody would ever make ever

1180
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:15,930
right but coming up with strategy on its

1181
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:18,900
own way ahead of way ahead way

1182
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,450
away and it was a it was amazing it was

1183
00:58:27,730 --> 00:58:24,240
that move 36 and everybody should hear

1184
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:27,740
the commentators nobody nobody

1185
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:31,200
understood it but he's watching you know

1186
00:58:35,569 --> 00:58:32,940
he's he's in the middle of the game and

1187
00:58:39,319 --> 00:58:35,579
he goes back to where he was on the

1188
00:58:41,539 --> 00:58:39,329
other part of the board and he's looking

1189
00:58:43,549 --> 00:58:41,549
at the the computers move right and he

1190
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:43,559
could just see what he's think and he

1191
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:45,569
makes the move computer makes another

1192
00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:48,809
play he throws and it just it just just

1193
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:51,500
just caved it was absolutely incredible

1194
00:58:56,359 --> 00:58:54,359
incredible to see that let's say let's

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00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:56,369
take our break right here is our guest

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:58:58,680
tonight rizz Burke I am your host Jimmy

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00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:01,650
church tonight it is a full night a full

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conversation of artificial intelligence

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we're doing it all the good the bad and

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy church tonight Risberg we are

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discussing artificial intelligence all

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01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:44,119
bylaws whiz has two books out too first

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off the simulation hypothesis which R is

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and I have covered a couple of times now

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01:04:58,120 --> 01:04:54,500
on this program is out and his newest

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release is startup myths and models you

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01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:00,410
can go to Zen entrepreneur.com

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and the links are over at Jimmy Church

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01:05:11,549 --> 01:05:07,849
now R is now this is this is this is

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01:05:14,140 --> 01:05:11,559
what I find so interesting I could have

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01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:14,150
right now you're on the show right

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01:05:21,329 --> 01:05:16,590
you're here we're discussing this oh

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[Laughter]

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yeah we are

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it's AI bro it's AI and and and and you

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01:05:35,769 --> 01:05:31,099
have your knowledge you're an instructor

1324
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:35,779
you're your a guide right you're a

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01:05:40,420 --> 01:05:37,910
mentor to so many different people not

1326
01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:40,430
only with computers but technology in

1327
01:05:45,130 --> 01:05:42,950
general right so you know what's going

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01:05:48,579 --> 01:05:45,140
on and then I could bring on somebody

1329
01:05:53,650 --> 01:05:48,589
like Sam Harris or Elon Musk where

1330
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:53,660
they're just gonna go we're doomed and

1331
01:05:58,809 --> 01:05:55,670
they have their knowledge right and

1332
01:06:00,670 --> 01:05:58,819
they're following you know I just read

1333
01:06:04,569 --> 01:06:00,680
what's the book that came out three or

1334
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:04,579
four years ago super intelligence by

1335
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:08,710
Nick Nick Bostrom yeah Nick Bostrom and

1336
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:12,160
now you you go through that book and

1337
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,609
most of it is pretty logical you know

1338
01:06:20,109 --> 01:06:19,039
he's a very smart guy I don't mean it in

1339
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:20,119
a bad way

1340
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:22,130
but it's stuff that makes a lot of sense

1341
01:06:27,370 --> 01:06:24,410
it there's only a couple of pages in

1342
01:06:30,130 --> 01:06:27,380
that book at a real doom and gloom but

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01:06:33,370 --> 01:06:30,140
people have grasped those few pages of

1344
01:06:36,370 --> 01:06:33,380
that book to say that this is where we

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are headed and a lot of people accept it

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01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:41,520
now as as gospel why why this the

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01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:45,900
is this why dichotomy of opinion of what

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01:06:52,070 --> 01:06:50,760
AI means to the future robust sure well

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01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:52,080
you know earlier I mentioned these

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different waves of AI and I think what

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01:07:00,350 --> 01:06:57,720
what happened with this second wave you

1352
01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:00,360
know there was a group of researchers in

1353
01:07:05,060 --> 01:07:02,820
I think University of Waterloo somewhere

1354
01:07:07,610 --> 01:07:05,070
in Canada and who were working on this

1355
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:07,620
throughout the decade of the 2000s and

1356
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:10,110
back then nobody was really paying any

1357
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:13,530
attention to it right and in fact you

1358
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,260
know they won the what's the Nobel Prize

1359
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:18,480
of computing and you know one of the

1360
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:21,000
guys who was kind of a mentor in that

1361
01:07:25,340 --> 01:07:23,130
group or the senior guy in the group and

1362
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:25,350
he said you know people told him why are

1363
01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:27,090
you wasting your time on this stuff

1364
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:29,160
right so what happened in the last

1365
01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:30,510
decade is I think people have been

1366
01:07:35,810 --> 01:07:34,500
surprised at how quickly this new mode

1367
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:35,820
of machine learning and deep learning

1368
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:38,610
has allowed AI to do tasks that people

1369
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:42,150
thought we're not gonna ever be able to

1370
01:07:47,180 --> 01:07:44,910
be done and so when your eyes start to

1371
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:47,190
open and you're like oh you know you can

1372
01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:50,010
actually see a car driving around that's

1373
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,390
not something we thought we would see

1374
01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:53,760
anytime soon and you know if you look at

1375
01:07:59,330 --> 01:07:56,550
the history of that DARPA put on a

1376
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:59,340
competition right in the desert for cars

1377
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:01,200
you know that could drive and there were

1378
01:08:05,810 --> 01:08:02,510
teams from a bunch of different places

1379
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,820
that were working on it and you know the

1380
01:08:09,860 --> 01:08:08,400
first one nobody came even close to just

1381
01:08:14,110 --> 01:08:09,870
being able to drive around no it was

1382
01:08:18,230 --> 01:08:14,120
automating in cars that could crash well

1383
01:08:21,230 --> 01:08:18,240
I was relieved by the way I was relieved

1384
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:21,240
I didn't want to see you know say you

1385
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:22,620
know a couple of you know you know

1386
01:08:28,099 --> 01:08:26,580
perfectly effortlessly with speed and

1387
01:08:30,460 --> 01:08:28,109
direct you know what I mean across the

1388
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,470
finish line because that would indicate

1389
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:33,359
progress that nobody was really aware of

1390
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:35,160
I was pretty happy to see things in

1391
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,339
ditches right and that was I forget the

1392
01:08:42,230 --> 01:08:40,319
year but it was sort of early 2000s I

1393
01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:42,240
think and as I said I mentioned by the

1394
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:44,040
time that I moved to Mountain View in

1395
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:45,930
2007 we had there were cars already

1396
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:48,839
driving around on their own I mean yet

1397
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:50,310
you still had to have drivers there just

1398
01:08:54,769 --> 01:08:53,370
in case in these Google cars today it's

1399
01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:54,779
known as way mo

1400
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:56,609
so I think it caught a lot of people by

1401
01:09:01,609 --> 01:08:58,440
surprise how quickly I mean I think the

1402
01:09:03,799 --> 01:09:01,619
second or third time DARPA ran that race

1403
01:09:06,559 --> 01:09:03,809
that there were teams that were did a

1404
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:06,569
pretty good job of having of navigating

1405
01:09:12,109 --> 01:09:08,940
at least the particular terrain which

1406
01:09:14,599 --> 01:09:12,119
was still a very specific environment

1407
01:09:16,189 --> 01:09:14,609
and so given the amount of money that

1408
01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:16,199
was spent over the last decade you know

1409
01:09:20,779 --> 01:09:18,179
companies like GM and they have Cruz

1410
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:20,789
Tesla has its own self-driving just into

1411
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:23,849
that one aspect of AI which is the

1412
01:09:29,180 --> 01:09:26,369
self-driving car I think it's it's

1413
01:09:30,649 --> 01:09:29,190
become I open and that's why people were

1414
01:09:34,069 --> 01:09:30,659
quite surprised I mean we all watch the

1415
01:09:38,209 --> 01:09:34,079
terminator back in the 80s and TT was in

1416
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:38,219
the 90s and you know it was a I don't

1417
01:09:41,779 --> 01:09:39,210
know if not many people know this but

1418
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:41,789
you know James Cameron had a had a dream

1419
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:44,250
of robots emerging from a fire it was a

1420
01:09:49,309 --> 01:09:45,779
nightmare more than anything when he was

1421
01:09:50,599 --> 01:09:49,319
filming some b-movie in Italy and he

1422
01:09:51,589 --> 01:09:50,609
woke up and he wasn't sure what to do

1423
01:09:54,919 --> 01:09:51,599
this vision he couldn't get it out of

1424
01:09:56,299 --> 01:09:54,929
his head and his friend Gail said why

1425
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:56,309
don't you draw a picture so he drew a

1426
01:09:58,669 --> 01:09:57,510
picture and then she said why don't you

1427
01:10:00,529 --> 01:09:58,679
write a screenplay and he wrote a

1428
01:10:02,180 --> 01:10:00,539
screenplay but so you know this

1429
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:02,190
terrifying vision I think has been out

1430
01:10:07,549 --> 01:10:04,980
there and it's pervaded in the media

1431
01:10:09,109 --> 01:10:07,559
even going to you know one of my and

1432
01:10:10,339 --> 01:10:09,119
your favorite movies The Matrix right

1433
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:10,349
where there were super intelligent

1434
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:13,860
machines that were keeping neo and

1435
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:16,170
everyone inside the simulation and so I

1436
01:10:22,129 --> 01:10:18,570
think you know that has pervaded the

1437
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:22,139
consciousness from the media and then

1438
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:23,760
when when people began to see in the

1439
01:10:27,709 --> 01:10:26,159
last decade how quickly a I was making

1440
01:10:29,899 --> 01:10:27,719
progress we jumped to these doomsday

1441
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:29,909
scenarios now I'm not saying that there

1442
01:10:33,919 --> 01:10:32,130
aren't doomsday scenarios in fact I

1443
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:33,929
think I'm a little more worried about

1444
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:38,730
doomsday scenarios than maybe you know

1445
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:41,250
some some scientists are because you

1446
01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:42,480
know they're all worried about super

1447
01:10:47,029 --> 01:10:44,520
intelligence right so the word of that

1448
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:47,039
AI will get so smart that it doesn't

1449
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:47,730
need us anymore

1450
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:49,980
and therefore it will decide to wipe us

1451
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:53,159
out and you know my worry and I wrote an

1452
01:10:56,209 --> 01:10:54,420
article about this I think we even

1453
01:10:58,850 --> 01:10:56,219
talked about it on a show a couple years

1454
01:11:00,799 --> 01:10:58,860
ago is it's kind of like having a 10th

1455
01:11:02,899 --> 01:11:00,809
level black belt versus a first level

1456
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:02,909
black belt like if your sparring with

1457
01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:04,860
the 10th level black belt you're

1458
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:05,940
probably gonna lose but he's probably

1459
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:07,110
not gonna hurt you because there's

1460
01:11:11,149 --> 01:11:08,010
enough control

1461
01:11:14,180 --> 01:11:11,159
there you know there's enough refinement

1462
01:11:15,649 --> 01:11:14,190
to know but somebody who just got the

1463
01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:15,659
black belt may not be that refined

1464
01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:16,949
you're more likely to get hurt

1465
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:20,190
unintentionally is so my worry is more

1466
01:11:24,589 --> 01:11:22,380
and I think this is where the doomsday

1467
01:11:27,620 --> 01:11:24,599
fear comes in is is when you start

1468
01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:27,630
marrying weapons together with

1469
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:30,150
autonomous systems so you get this area

1470
01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:32,070
of autonomous weapons and there was a

1471
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,739
petition I think like 2000 scientists

1472
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:36,239
sign that a few years ago and Elon Musk

1473
01:11:41,419 --> 01:11:38,820
was part of that group that said we

1474
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,429
should not develop autonomous weapons

1475
01:11:45,529 --> 01:11:43,199
right you get into kind of like the

1476
01:11:47,930 --> 01:11:45,539
Robocop or in the Terminator scenario

1477
01:11:49,759 --> 01:11:47,940
where they said Skynet was put in charge

1478
01:11:53,029 --> 01:11:49,769
of all the bombing runs and it had a

1479
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:53,039
hundred percent accuracy I'm actually

1480
01:11:59,509 --> 01:11:56,369
not so worried that that could happen I

1481
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,519
mean I I mean I am worried because that

1482
01:12:05,709 --> 01:12:01,679
actually could happen in the same way

1483
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:05,719
that AI is getting better at diagnosing

1484
01:12:11,450 --> 01:12:09,170
you know for looking at CT scans and

1485
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,460
when you think about bombing you're

1486
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:12,480
really just trying to hit a certain

1487
01:12:17,569 --> 01:12:14,489
target right all right so if you just

1488
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:17,579
told AI to just focus on bombing it's

1489
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:20,010
gonna get very good at just bombing the

1490
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:21,679
exact target you said the problem maybe

1491
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:24,210
if you then tell it to pick a target

1492
01:12:28,729 --> 01:12:26,730
that's where things get scary it is

1493
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:28,739
you know what's you know this is what is

1494
01:12:36,799 --> 01:12:32,610
scary I would rather have a human being

1495
01:12:39,979 --> 01:12:36,809
with a gun right in military in full-on

1496
01:12:44,209 --> 01:12:39,989
battle fatigue marching at me down the

1497
01:12:47,839 --> 01:12:44,219
street then some frigging AI Droid with

1498
01:12:52,430 --> 01:12:47,849
a gun coming at me I can't negotiate

1499
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:52,440
I can't negotiate with you know I can't

1500
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:54,300
negotiate with a machine number one

1501
01:12:59,720 --> 01:12:56,130
number two the machines not going to

1502
01:13:02,330 --> 01:12:59,730
miss three the the the machine doesn't

1503
01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:02,340
have a wife and kids at home right there

1504
01:13:05,839 --> 01:13:04,230
there's no empathy there there isn't

1505
01:13:08,299 --> 01:13:05,849
anything going on there isn't the human

1506
01:13:12,979 --> 01:13:08,309
connection at least you got a ray of

1507
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:12,989
hope you could surrender you know but

1508
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,000
but you're not gonna that's that's what

1509
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:16,800
scares me because you're dealing with

1510
01:13:21,310 --> 01:13:18,830
something that it may

1511
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:21,320
an AI component to it that is driving it

1512
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:25,040
but there's no emotion there right

1513
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:27,050
there's no emotion no empathy it's kind

1514
01:13:30,610 --> 01:13:28,850
of like in the Star Trek The Next

1515
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:30,620
Generation movies right where data

1516
01:13:35,380 --> 01:13:33,530
finally got his emotion chip right but

1517
01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:35,390
then he wasn't able to function in a

1518
01:13:39,490 --> 01:13:37,220
crisis as he was getting too emotional

1519
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:39,500
right and Picard says data you might

1520
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:41,210
want to turn off your emotion chip just

1521
01:13:47,650 --> 01:13:44,570
for now wait cleaning the operation what

1522
01:13:53,340 --> 01:13:47,660
do you think motivates what what does

1523
01:13:57,130 --> 01:13:53,350
Elon know that would make him you know

1524
01:13:59,530 --> 01:13:57,140
present these statements publicly about

1525
01:14:03,310 --> 01:13:59,540
some very scary scenarios when it comes

1526
01:14:06,250 --> 01:14:03,320
to AI because people listen to him yeah

1527
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:06,260
what motivates him what is it that he

1528
01:14:10,450 --> 01:14:09,110
knows it's a good question and I don't

1529
01:14:12,670 --> 01:14:10,460
know the answer to that but I can

1530
01:14:15,850 --> 01:14:12,680
speculate because he also you know has

1531
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,860
this company and neural link yep which

1532
01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:17,600
he's been talking about a lot lately and

1533
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:21,260
the idea there is to actually augment

1534
01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:24,170
the human brain with AI by putting a

1535
01:14:28,540 --> 01:14:27,140
chip you know into into the head and

1536
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:28,550
then having it wirelessly communicate

1537
01:14:36,780 --> 01:14:32,510
and so the idea there is Elon is worried

1538
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:36,790
that AI will eventually outpace humans

1539
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:39,440
with super intelligence and so we need

1540
01:14:44,830 --> 01:14:41,810
to become more intelligent right and so

1541
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,840
that's what he's publicly stated is you

1542
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:46,480
know part of his motivation for

1543
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:48,890
investing in this company and and and

1544
01:14:53,650 --> 01:14:50,870
really focusing in on it is to find ways

1545
01:14:56,020 --> 01:14:53,660
to make the human brain more intelligent

1546
01:14:58,750 --> 01:14:56,030
so that it can process as much as any AI

1547
01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:58,760
and I believe there's actually some even

1548
01:15:03,130 --> 01:15:00,140
though I'm not a big fan of putting a

1549
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:03,140
chip in your head right and you know our

1550
01:15:07,090 --> 01:15:05,570
mutual friend dannion brinkley you know

1551
01:15:10,660 --> 01:15:07,100
had a lot of interesting prophecies

1552
01:15:13,410 --> 01:15:10,670
about that scenario that that that would

1553
01:15:15,730 --> 01:15:13,420
also qualify his doomsday scenarios but

1554
01:15:19,330 --> 01:15:15,740
there's been a debate within the AI

1555
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:19,340
communities is is AI there to augment

1556
01:15:24,610 --> 01:15:22,310
human intelligence or is it there to

1557
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:24,620
replace human intelligence now if you

1558
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,370
went back to the 80s like early eighties

1559
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:30,080
the Japanese were making progress with

1560
01:15:33,410 --> 01:15:31,500
AI and we were making

1561
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:33,420
progress here in the US and people

1562
01:15:38,420 --> 01:15:35,400
thought we were gonna have AGI by the

1563
01:15:41,060 --> 01:15:38,430
end of the 80s right so there's a long

1564
01:15:43,820 --> 01:15:41,070
history of people being worried about AI

1565
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:43,830
becoming you know as smart as the humans

1566
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:47,010
but then I think what shifted is people

1567
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:48,690
realize that well it's not about whether

1568
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:50,850
they're as smart as humans right I mean

1569
01:15:56,660 --> 01:15:53,310
AI may be better at different kinds of

1570
01:16:00,290 --> 01:15:56,670
things and so if you focus it in and you

1571
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:00,300
augment what humans can do with AI like

1572
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:02,310
it's really good at processing lots of

1573
01:16:06,380 --> 01:16:04,650
information but it's not so good at

1574
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:06,390
making like we talked about you know

1575
01:16:12,770 --> 01:16:08,250
empathy human level judgments and this

1576
01:16:14,660 --> 01:16:12,780
is why with drones and you know there's

1577
01:16:16,490 --> 01:16:14,670
a history with the different Defense

1578
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:16,500
Department in fact as I mentioned DARPA

1579
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:18,840
put on that first competition for the

1580
01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:20,490
autonomous vehicles in the desert and

1581
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:22,500
why did they do that because they didn't

1582
01:16:25,930 --> 01:16:24,330
want to send soldiers out to hazardous

1583
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:25,940
situation they'd rather just sent

1584
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:29,690
self-driving cars sort of tanks really

1585
01:16:36,170 --> 01:16:32,400
so there is definitely a lot of interest

1586
01:16:37,940 --> 01:16:36,180
I mean the first real robot they you

1587
01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:37,950
know in that could move around was a

1588
01:16:43,190 --> 01:16:40,380
robot called shakey and that was at

1589
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:43,200
Stanford Research Institute back in the

1590
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:46,530
1970s it was even on life life magazine

1591
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:47,970
I don't was in the cover or it was just

1592
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,610
in the magazine itself but you know it

1593
01:16:55,370 --> 01:16:53,520
had trouble really navigating hallways

1594
01:16:57,050 --> 01:16:55,380
and things on its own but there were a

1595
01:16:59,180 --> 01:16:57,060
lot of advances that came from that

1596
01:17:02,330 --> 01:16:59,190
including you know finding the shortest

1597
01:17:06,650 --> 01:17:02,340
path algorithms which then work their

1598
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:06,660
way into like when you go to Google Maps

1599
01:17:10,580 --> 01:17:08,970
and you get directions right so a lot of

1600
01:17:12,830 --> 01:17:10,590
those algorithms have worked their way

1601
01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:12,840
to these but there's a history in the

1602
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:14,340
Department of Defense at least in the

1603
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:17,370
u.s. of wanting to be able to replace

1604
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:21,510
soldiers and not risk human lives but of

1605
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:22,920
course the flip side of that is if

1606
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:24,780
you're on the other side and the robots

1607
01:17:28,370 --> 01:17:27,090
are coming at you right there's more of

1608
01:17:30,290 --> 01:17:28,380
a chance that they're going to kill you

1609
01:17:32,690 --> 01:17:30,300
just because they you know that's what

1610
01:17:34,460 --> 01:17:32,700
they're good at so so I think there's

1611
01:17:38,750 --> 01:17:34,470
some judgment things that need to be

1612
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:38,760
done and my worry is that that they will

1613
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:41,580
get really good at these tasks and once

1614
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:43,860
you hook them up to these tasks to

1615
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:44,890
autonomous weapon

1616
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:46,330
I'm not so worried about that they're

1617
01:17:50,370 --> 01:17:48,610
gonna be so intelligent right because if

1618
01:17:51,780 --> 01:17:50,380
they're so much more intelligent than us

1619
01:17:53,370 --> 01:17:51,790
they can probably make judgments about

1620
01:17:56,700 --> 01:17:53,380
when they should kill or not kill and

1621
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:56,710
super intelligent AI may not care about

1622
01:18:00,120 --> 01:17:57,250
us

1623
01:18:02,970 --> 01:18:00,130
right if you remember in the movie her

1624
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:02,980
right did you see that movie I did you

1625
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:06,490
know at the end the his AI girlfriend

1626
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:09,010
and all the other a eyes decide to go

1627
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:11,650
somewhere where do they go I mean they

1628
01:18:17,460 --> 01:18:15,280
don't really care I mean AI you have to

1629
01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:17,470
look at the the values and I think in

1630
01:18:22,050 --> 01:18:19,000
that book super intelligence there's

1631
01:18:24,270 --> 01:18:22,060
another one by Max tegmark called life

1632
01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:24,280
studio they talk about what are the

1633
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,640
values that the AI has and so this is

1634
01:18:31,290 --> 01:18:29,920
actually really important and I think

1635
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:31,300
what all these scientists are worried

1636
01:18:36,150 --> 01:18:33,010
about is we haven't put enough thought

1637
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:36,160
into what are the values they're going

1638
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:38,410
to have like in Terminator you know that

1639
01:18:43,650 --> 01:18:41,110
they want to kill and enslave the humans

1640
01:18:46,830 --> 01:18:43,660
but why right if you really are just

1641
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:46,840
software would you rather be here or not

1642
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:48,490
or would you rather just be in some

1643
01:18:53,070 --> 01:18:51,310
virtual environment that has nothing to

1644
01:18:55,260 --> 01:18:53,080
do with the physical world you just need

1645
01:18:57,210 --> 01:18:55,270
enough of the physical world that you

1646
01:18:58,620 --> 01:18:57,220
can keep getting electricity of course

1647
01:19:00,750 --> 01:18:58,630
that leads to the matrix doomsday

1648
01:19:02,610 --> 01:19:00,760
scenario the super intelligent machines

1649
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:02,620
are using right right brain for

1650
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:06,010
electricity that that's not you know an

1651
01:19:09,330 --> 01:19:07,810
acceptance scenario in any serious

1652
01:19:11,010 --> 01:19:09,340
technology discussion but it's kind of a

1653
01:19:13,770 --> 01:19:11,020
fun one but you know you would think

1654
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,780
some some type of solar energy would be

1655
01:19:18,330 --> 01:19:16,480
enough for the AI to kind of be happy in

1656
01:19:21,630 --> 01:19:18,340
and of itself so it's when you start

1657
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:21,640
having AI that's more physical and that

1658
01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:24,250
has a sense of itself you know I

1659
01:19:30,300 --> 01:19:26,380
sometimes call this the Star Wars versus

1660
01:19:34,590 --> 01:19:30,310
Star Trek view of AI right in Star Wars

1661
01:19:37,380 --> 01:19:34,600
which came out in 76 right the droids

1662
01:19:40,350 --> 01:19:37,390
were really kind of the AI right they

1663
01:19:41,850 --> 01:19:40,360
were physical robots and anytime they

1664
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:41,860
needed to do something in the Death Star

1665
01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:44,770
they would have r2d2 plug in right over

1666
01:19:50,580 --> 01:19:47,620
the the Metroid's or whatever they call

1667
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:50,590
astromech droids plug in and do it for

1668
01:19:54,780 --> 01:19:52,630
them and c-3po was there to communicate

1669
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:54,790
with the humans and translate all of

1670
01:19:58,020 --> 01:19:56,890
that but if you look at Star Trek The

1671
01:19:59,490 --> 01:19:58,030
Next Generation they star

1672
01:20:01,080 --> 01:19:59,500
talking to their computer right they

1673
01:20:06,060 --> 01:20:01,090
used to say computer do this do that

1674
01:20:07,709 --> 01:20:06,070
right so the AI was built into the ship

1675
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:07,719
itself and data was through the only

1676
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:10,000
example of a robot initially at least

1677
01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:12,610
within that series but so so there's an

1678
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:14,289
interesting debate about whether AI

1679
01:20:18,930 --> 01:20:16,719
should be embodied and have a sense of

1680
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:18,940
itself in the physical world or if it's

1681
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:20,710
really just algorithms that work on

1682
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,159
machines or inhabit say a ship like

1683
01:20:30,209 --> 01:20:26,800
another kind of interesting scenario was

1684
01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:30,219
how in 2001 now this goes back to 1968

1685
01:20:35,339 --> 01:20:33,340
or 69 when it first came out and it was

1686
01:20:37,859 --> 01:20:35,349
aware of the ship but it didn't have an

1687
01:20:39,959 --> 01:20:37,869
independent existence outside of that

1688
01:20:41,850 --> 01:20:39,969
ship and so I mean I know making a lot

1689
01:20:43,649 --> 01:20:41,860
of science fiction references here but

1690
01:20:45,779 --> 01:20:43,659
it I do think these are you know big

1691
01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:45,789
issues that we haven't fully grappled

1692
01:20:49,169 --> 01:20:47,320
with and I don't think we have to worry

1693
01:20:53,069 --> 01:20:49,179
about a doomsday scenario you know as

1694
01:20:55,890 --> 01:20:53,079
long as we are not letting autonomous

1695
01:20:58,260 --> 01:20:55,900
weapons run loose but it's it's it's

1696
01:21:00,510 --> 01:20:58,270
possible that if we could do go down

1697
01:21:01,919 --> 01:21:00,520
that route even if I think super

1698
01:21:03,899 --> 01:21:01,929
intelligence isn't gonna be here for a

1699
01:21:07,290 --> 01:21:03,909
while there's danger of a lot of lives

1700
01:21:11,609 --> 01:21:07,300
being lost well what what max tegmark

1701
01:21:14,609 --> 01:21:11,619
and Nick Bostrom and others and those

1702
01:21:17,939 --> 01:21:14,619
guys actually they paint a pretty dark

1703
01:21:21,629 --> 01:21:17,949
picture and and I like Max and he's a

1704
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:21,639
very even-handed I like I like the way

1705
01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:23,050
that he speaks and I like the way that

1706
01:21:32,669 --> 01:21:26,590
he writes but they all point to one

1707
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:32,679
basic thing the minute that a GI not you

1708
01:21:38,359 --> 01:21:35,530
know not full-on AI craziness but you

1709
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:38,369
know an artificial general intelligence

1710
01:21:47,549 --> 01:21:44,880
scenario where the software is now

1711
01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:47,559
rewriting its own code and making its

1712
01:21:52,290 --> 01:21:48,550
own decisions

1713
01:21:54,990 --> 01:21:52,300
the second the nanosecond that that is

1714
01:22:00,689 --> 01:21:55,000
achieved then every time that the

1715
01:22:05,339 --> 01:22:00,699
computer cycles it's now doing eons of

1716
01:22:07,979 --> 01:22:05,349
days of computing instantly where it's

1717
01:22:09,810 --> 01:22:07,989
outpacing our own ability to do that

1718
01:22:11,410 --> 01:22:09,820
same type of thinking in calculations

1719
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:11,420
and that's

1720
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:14,810
what we need to be aware of is do you

1721
01:22:20,110 --> 01:22:16,730
have that same concern are you at that

1722
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:20,120
point where once it's self correcting

1723
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:23,090
and writing its own code that is what we

1724
01:22:29,020 --> 01:22:26,690
need to be aware of well yeah that's

1725
01:22:32,350 --> 01:22:29,030
part of it I mean once it's able to

1726
01:22:34,419 --> 01:22:32,360
modify itself I mean in general there's

1727
01:22:35,729 --> 01:22:34,429
a famous line from terminator you know

1728
01:22:38,830 --> 01:22:35,739
on such-and-such a date

1729
01:22:39,550 --> 01:22:38,840
Skynet became self-aware right right

1730
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:39,560
right

1731
01:22:44,410 --> 01:22:41,770
so this is an interesting question and

1732
01:22:46,660 --> 01:22:44,420
it's almost a metaphysical question but

1733
01:22:48,910 --> 01:22:46,670
it gets into the technology and into

1734
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:48,920
these doomsday scenarios is what does it

1735
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:52,610
mean you know for it to be self-aware or

1736
01:22:58,959 --> 01:22:54,110
for it to be aware of itself there was a

1737
01:23:01,419 --> 01:22:58,969
it was an old test where if a dog looks

1738
01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:01,429
in the mirror you know does it realize

1739
01:23:06,490 --> 01:23:03,230
it's looking at itself or does it think

1740
01:23:07,870 --> 01:23:06,500
it's looking at another dog and so if a

1741
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:07,880
human is there and you touch your face

1742
01:23:13,150 --> 01:23:10,010
and the guy in the mirror is touching

1743
01:23:17,050 --> 01:23:13,160
your face you realize hopefully pretty

1744
01:23:20,770 --> 01:23:17,060
soon that that is you right so you are

1745
01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:20,780
self-aware and so that's I think a key

1746
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:24,350
point in in the development of AI if

1747
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:27,650
it's embodied right and so there's this

1748
01:23:33,220 --> 01:23:30,290
question of whether AI really is going

1749
01:23:34,570 --> 01:23:33,230
to be embodied or not if you remember

1750
01:23:36,130 --> 01:23:34,580
another moving the Terminator series

1751
01:23:39,250 --> 01:23:36,140
that most people think was not a good

1752
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:39,260
one was Terminator 3 but at the end you

1753
01:23:42,370 --> 01:23:40,730
know he was looking for a server to blow

1754
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,380
up and he realizes there's no server

1755
01:23:47,530 --> 01:23:44,719
that he can blow up it was software it

1756
01:23:50,500 --> 01:23:47,540
was out there all over the Internet and

1757
01:23:52,419 --> 01:23:50,510
so it's self-aware AI going to be

1758
01:23:54,580 --> 01:23:52,429
software that rewrites itself man we

1759
01:23:56,530 --> 01:23:54,590
have programs that can modify itself now

1760
01:23:58,900 --> 01:23:56,540
in fact you know when I was a student

1761
01:24:01,330 --> 01:23:58,910
back at MIT I did a neat little trick

1762
01:24:02,850 --> 01:24:01,340
back in the 90s where I won this we had

1763
01:24:04,689 --> 01:24:02,860
this programming competition where

1764
01:24:06,610 --> 01:24:04,699
you're supposed to write a program that

1765
01:24:07,900 --> 01:24:06,620
competes with another program and the

1766
01:24:10,930 --> 01:24:07,910
programs were trying were supposed to

1767
01:24:13,660 --> 01:24:10,940
kill it each other and whichever kills

1768
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:13,670
the other program won and I was sitting

1769
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:14,840
up one night trying to figure out how

1770
01:24:17,650 --> 01:24:16,489
can I write a program that's gonna win

1771
01:24:18,850 --> 01:24:17,660
this competition at about three o'clock

1772
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:18,860
in the morning it dawned on me

1773
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,679
I'll have this program modify itself and

1774
01:24:24,939 --> 01:24:23,120
the other program so it'll just kill

1775
01:24:25,330 --> 01:24:24,949
both and no matter what the other

1776
01:24:27,729 --> 01:24:25,340
program

1777
01:24:29,770 --> 01:24:27,739
we'll end up dead and and I ended up

1778
01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:29,780
winning that competition and it was like

1779
01:24:37,180 --> 01:24:34,520
changing its own code right and so code

1780
01:24:39,310 --> 01:24:37,190
and data we think those are two

1781
01:24:41,290 --> 01:24:39,320
different things but really they're all

1782
01:24:42,370 --> 01:24:41,300
just stored within memory so they're

1783
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:42,380
really the same thing so if you can

1784
01:24:46,510 --> 01:24:44,810
modify data you can modify code so there

1785
01:24:49,629 --> 01:24:46,520
are programs that can modify itself

1786
01:24:51,729 --> 01:24:49,639
today but they're not really that

1787
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:51,739
intelligent so yeah I mean I do worry

1788
01:24:57,459 --> 01:24:55,250
that if you start to have software AI

1789
01:25:00,189 --> 01:24:57,469
that is self-aware that is self

1790
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:00,199
modification modifying and that has a

1791
01:25:04,660 --> 01:25:02,330
goal like the other thing is if you

1792
01:25:06,850 --> 01:25:04,670
remember in the in grade school you know

1793
01:25:09,459 --> 01:25:06,860
they had here's the definition of what

1794
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:09,469
is alive and one of the definitions is

1795
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:11,750
it wants to keep itself alive survival

1796
01:25:15,970 --> 01:25:13,760
right that was one of the criteria for

1797
01:25:19,359 --> 01:25:15,980
something that is alive and so

1798
01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:19,369
self-awareness if it's married to

1799
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:23,510
wanting to keep itself alive and that

1800
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:26,239
means making sure there's no off switch

1801
01:25:30,339 --> 01:25:28,489
right right right so so far we don't

1802
01:25:32,109 --> 01:25:30,349
have any AI that doesn't have an off

1803
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:32,119
switch right right right right right

1804
01:25:34,780 --> 01:25:32,570
right

1805
01:25:36,879 --> 01:25:34,790
but once you get to that point and it's

1806
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:36,889
one of the gates right if you remember

1807
01:25:39,609 --> 01:25:38,330
like a year and a half ago I think we

1808
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:39,619
had a show where we talked about these

1809
01:25:44,620 --> 01:25:42,650
four gates of killer a high high and

1810
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:44,630
that was one of them is if you have

1811
01:25:48,430 --> 01:25:47,090
software that is so distributed that it

1812
01:25:50,530 --> 01:25:48,440
doesn't have an off switch

1813
01:25:52,089 --> 01:25:50,540
right I mean and effectively if it's out

1814
01:25:54,669 --> 01:25:52,099
on the internet everywhere then it

1815
01:25:57,490 --> 01:25:54,679
really doesn't have an off switch even

1816
01:26:01,450 --> 01:25:57,500
an EMP pulse and then nowhere that's

1817
01:26:05,470 --> 01:26:01,460
right and an aware AI would would know

1818
01:26:07,870 --> 01:26:05,480
this and would this is the thing that is

1819
01:26:10,750 --> 01:26:07,880
such a fundamental thought of us right

1820
01:26:16,209 --> 01:26:10,760
well just unplug the computer well okay

1821
01:26:19,089 --> 01:26:16,219
AI knew that last week you're way ahead

1822
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:19,099
of the game so of course it would be

1823
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:23,409
distributed software so the off switch

1824
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:25,250
goes out of play

1825
01:26:30,669 --> 01:26:27,650
but the survival mode of being

1826
01:26:32,530 --> 01:26:30,679
self-aware that is such an instinctual

1827
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:32,540
thing if you are going to have a

1828
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,730
computer that is not only self-aware but

1829
01:26:39,790 --> 01:26:37,040
now dealing with

1830
01:26:41,530 --> 01:26:39,800
amounts of consciousness and we will

1831
01:26:44,530 --> 01:26:41,540
talk about that after the break that's

1832
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:44,540
the next stage here is that it is in

1833
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:47,690
survival mode every second of its

1834
01:26:52,780 --> 01:26:50,690
existence just like we are well but

1835
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:52,790
that's the question I don't know that we

1836
01:26:59,140 --> 01:26:56,530
necessarily assume that AI will

1837
01:27:02,380 --> 01:26:59,150
prioritize its own survival so this is

1838
01:27:05,950 --> 01:27:02,390
why you know the question of values in

1839
01:27:07,710 --> 01:27:05,960
AI is a really important one like so far

1840
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:07,720
we don't really have a program that

1841
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:11,510
whose goal is to keep running itself

1842
01:27:18,330 --> 01:27:14,450
well okay hold on before the break this

1843
01:27:24,190 --> 01:27:18,340
is the point with what you just said is

1844
01:27:26,110 --> 01:27:24,200
who is coding the morals right that

1845
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:26,120
that's that's that's the difference

1846
01:27:31,420 --> 01:27:28,730
right yes you've got somebody holding it

1847
01:27:33,550 --> 01:27:31,430
and also what data are they feeding it

1848
01:27:35,890 --> 01:27:33,560
right I mean you talked in the

1849
01:27:39,070 --> 01:27:35,900
introduction about this case of facial

1850
01:27:40,780 --> 01:27:39,080
recognition being you know arresting is

1851
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,790
being used to arrest someone right you

1852
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:42,560
know that is dangerous right because the

1853
01:27:47,050 --> 01:27:44,480
data set it's like I remember about a

1854
01:27:48,670 --> 01:27:47,060
year ago I I got this thing in the mail

1855
01:27:51,130 --> 01:27:48,680
from the state of California saying that

1856
01:27:52,540 --> 01:27:51,140
you know I had to pay this toll because

1857
01:27:54,670 --> 01:27:52,550
I didn't pay the toll at the Golden Gate

1858
01:27:56,830 --> 01:27:54,680
Bridge and I looked at it was this dark

1859
01:27:59,080 --> 01:27:56,840
image of this car my car is white and it

1860
01:28:01,330 --> 01:27:59,090
wasn't even white and you couldn't

1861
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,340
really read the license plate but the

1862
01:28:04,930 --> 01:28:03,440
data assumed that was my license plate

1863
01:28:07,060 --> 01:28:04,940
even though there was no way you could

1864
01:28:08,620 --> 01:28:07,070
tell but I could tell cuz it wasn't a

1865
01:28:10,780 --> 01:28:08,630
white car so therefore it wasn't my car

1866
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:10,790
they knew they knew it because it was a

1867
01:28:16,090 --> 01:28:14,000
Bentley and you drive a Bentley

1868
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:16,100
okay let's take a break right here is

1869
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:17,600
you stay right there I guess tonight

1870
01:28:20,830 --> 01:28:18,320
Risberg

1871
01:28:22,630 --> 01:28:20,840
we're talking artificial intelligence

1872
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,640
the good the bad and the ugly when we

1873
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,840
come back we've got to get into

1874
01:28:29,170 --> 01:28:26,480
consciousness this is a big debate out

1875
01:28:30,730 --> 01:28:29,180
there right now we'll get to all of it

1876
01:28:31,420 --> 01:28:30,740
right after this stay with us I'm yours

1877
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to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jaime Church this is

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revolution the revolution will not be

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[Laughter]

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welcome back pay to black our guest

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tonight Risberg

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talking about artificial intelligence

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the good the bad and the ugly what a

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01:33:57,090 --> 01:33:56,050
great conversation so far and before we

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get back into it

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rizz Rita has an artificial intelligence

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program it's this machine learning

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craziness that creates words that don't

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exist that creates words that don't

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exist yes and she posts them you can't

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look them up in the dictionary but you

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read them and you realize that there's

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like okay so you just posted this one

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flakey mouth well some of them are

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completely made up like this

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crazier cra-z I a crazy

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you know she's and it's really funny

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01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:51,520
well there are there are a I programs

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that write stories now news stories

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paint they paint they yes they're not

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perfect and you could still tell the

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difference like when you see text that's

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generated there was a video game you

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appreciate this there was you know the

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old text adventure games that like Zork

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in these games right

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someone put together they took a text

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generation engine recently that uses AI

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and they had it basically create you

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know a text adventure game and so it

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just creates the the rooms as you go and

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at first you're like wow this is cool

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but then after a little while you

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realize it's it's missing things right

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there's just things that are wrong in

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01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:32,949
there and so you know we're we're still

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01:35:40,260 --> 01:35:37,449
a little ways off from having AI that

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can really produce intelligible text

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when you're interacting with it right so

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we're still away from the Turing test I

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think and when Alan Turing made that he

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called it the imitation game like I said

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earlier but back then he used like tell

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X's right

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sending messages today we would say type

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2 message or

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text message or use your voice but yeah

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it is it is pretty interesting how

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quickly you know this stuff has come

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about yeah there is a I can't remember

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the website somebody I'll post it up

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here in Twitter they'll they'll know but

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01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:11,790
there's there's a website out there that

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AI generates in real-time

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okay real-time thrash-metal right and so

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and it's it's it's a 24-hour 365 day a

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01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:33,850
year constant stream one song continuous

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and it's and so anyway you listen to it

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it's guitars bass drums keyboards and

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done in thrash industrial metal style

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and it's never-ending I've listened to

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it for 3-4 hours at a stretch and there

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are there's only moments when you

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realize it's not human there's only

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moments the rest I mean it's it's pretty

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01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:05,080
it's pretty dang good man yeah really

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good I mean we're making great strides

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right when you when you think about

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specific tasks right I mean that AI was

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programmed for the specific task of

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generating music and it's got a very

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limited set of notes and instruments

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that can be played and so if I'm

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01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:23,890
assuming I don't know I haven't been to

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01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,330
the website but I'm assuming they

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01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:27,760
trained it right by having it listened

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01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:32,650
to or in some other way feeding in you

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01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:36,490
know data about different songs or music

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01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:40,080
that we humans whoever was feeding it in

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01:37:46,260 --> 01:37:43,930
thought was you know good thrash metal

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01:37:47,970 --> 01:37:46,270
or whatever it happens to be and and so

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01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:47,980
you know we're still at that stage where

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01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:50,800
we have to train for specific tasks but

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I think you mentioned this earlier too

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and that's how that's how babies learn

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01:37:59,250 --> 01:37:57,040
right we learn specific tasks over time

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01:38:01,680 --> 01:37:59,260
and then we get better at them so so

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01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:01,690
we're definitely starting to see things

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01:38:06,330 --> 01:38:04,570
improve and go go in that direction with

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01:38:08,250 --> 01:38:06,340
Woodward's is a little bit easier to

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tell not

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dividual words but when you have to

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string them together with meaning that's

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01:38:14,940 --> 01:38:13,600
when you realize that it's good at

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01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:14,950
stringing together words but it's not

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necessarily good at grasping the meaning

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you know maybe it's a good thing that

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language is so illogical sometimes right

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I mean if you had to learn all the rules

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for specific language you can still tell

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like when you translate an article and

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from one language to another like

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sometimes I'll see an article that I

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wrote say about the simulation

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01:38:39,660 --> 01:38:37,540
hypothesis and I'll see a version of it

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01:38:41,970 --> 01:38:39,670
that's in English but it's not using the

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01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:41,980
exact same words I used and then I'll

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realize it was because somebody

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translated it into another language and

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01:38:50,490 --> 01:38:47,770
then some AI translated it back to

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01:38:52,860 --> 01:38:50,500
English so it's close to what I was

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01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:52,870
saying the words are close but you miss

2078
01:38:57,420 --> 01:38:54,790
the meanings many times and you have

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01:39:00,300 --> 01:38:57,430
something lost in translation literally

2080
01:39:02,190 --> 01:39:00,310
so right now I getting into

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01:39:03,660 --> 01:39:02,200
consciousness here because this is

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01:39:05,670 --> 01:39:03,670
actually part of what we're talking

2083
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:05,680
about right now you know taking that

2084
01:39:15,210 --> 01:39:10,090
next step there are physicists out there

2085
01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:15,220
that are speaking about consciousness

2086
01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:19,510
that every particle it doesn't matter

2087
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:22,420
a particle from the the smallest of the

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01:39:29,310 --> 01:39:25,210
small the random everything has got a

2089
01:39:32,340 --> 01:39:29,320
little piece of consciousness there it's

2090
01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:32,350
when you accumulate a mass of particles

2091
01:39:38,580 --> 01:39:35,710
together like our brain where

2092
01:39:43,140 --> 01:39:38,590
consciousness is then grouped together

2093
01:39:47,190 --> 01:39:43,150
in mass and then it's it's created like

2094
01:39:49,860 --> 01:39:47,200
we use it today but that would mean and

2095
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:49,870
indicate that there is a certain amount

2096
01:39:57,780 --> 01:39:54,250
of consciousness in your car right there

2097
01:40:00,630 --> 01:39:57,790
that and things right it may be a small

2098
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:00,640
amount but I think that if you yell at

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01:40:09,180 --> 01:40:03,970
your car enough and and our mean to it

2100
01:40:12,180 --> 01:40:09,190
one day it's just not gonna start and so

2101
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:12,190
and so one word well when we're dealing

2102
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:15,730
with computers in a massive amount of

2103
01:40:21,610 --> 01:40:17,210
data

2104
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:21,620
of an uploaded mind and now this created

2105
01:40:30,209 --> 01:40:24,800
AI engine that with all that stored data

2106
01:40:34,300 --> 01:40:30,219
of bits and bytes that there could be an

2107
01:40:37,150 --> 01:40:34,310
unintentional massing of consciousness

2108
01:40:39,130 --> 01:40:37,160
and that you're not gonna program it in

2109
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:39,140
it's just going to be there because

2110
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:42,650
that's the way the universe works right

2111
01:40:49,540 --> 01:40:45,760
and so you know I think there's a debate

2112
01:40:51,670 --> 01:40:49,550
on what consciousness is nobody really

2113
01:40:54,850 --> 01:40:51,680
understands that even though many people

2114
01:40:57,070 --> 01:40:54,860
think they do and so you know one the

2115
01:41:00,300 --> 01:40:57,080
materialists point of view is that

2116
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:00,310
consciousness is an emergent property of

2117
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:03,440
chemicals right so if you put together

2118
01:41:09,700 --> 01:41:06,800
enough neurons then consciousness just

2119
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:09,710
magically emerges right there's the view

2120
01:41:16,630 --> 01:41:11,690
that consciousness is something separate

2121
01:41:18,850 --> 01:41:16,640
from the physical brain and that we

2122
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:18,860
download into the brain at birth and

2123
01:41:24,459 --> 01:41:21,110
then depending on what you believe

2124
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:24,469
either we goes away or we upload right

2125
01:41:28,990 --> 01:41:26,450
then I talked a lot about this in the

2126
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:29,000
simulation hypothesis whereas if you

2127
01:41:32,020 --> 01:41:30,530
look at all the religious traditions not

2128
01:41:34,510 --> 01:41:32,030
any particular tradition just all of

2129
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,520
them right they all kind of tell us that

2130
01:41:38,530 --> 01:41:36,560
the physical world is not the real world

2131
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:38,540
and that with there's a part of us that

2132
01:41:42,580 --> 01:41:40,610
existed before we came in and there's a

2133
01:41:44,650 --> 01:41:42,590
part of us after and obviously in some

2134
01:41:46,060 --> 01:41:44,660
religions you come back again and again

2135
01:41:48,459 --> 01:41:46,070
and have multiple lives playing

2136
01:41:50,410 --> 01:41:48,469
different roles or different avatars as

2137
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:50,420
I like to say it and then there's this

2138
01:41:54,490 --> 01:41:52,489
idea of pan psychism right which i think

2139
01:41:57,060 --> 01:41:54,500
is what you're getting at which is that

2140
01:42:00,850 --> 01:41:57,070
every everything in the universe has

2141
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:00,860
some level of consciousness now one of

2142
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:02,930
the reasons why people are starting to

2143
01:42:07,890 --> 01:42:05,090
consider this is is the whole quantum

2144
01:42:10,780 --> 01:42:07,900
indeterminacy and the observer effect

2145
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:10,790
right and you know this is something

2146
01:42:17,410 --> 01:42:14,510
that drives physicists crazy because you

2147
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:17,420
know the implications are that for the

2148
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:20,450
probability wave to collapse there has

2149
01:42:24,910 --> 01:42:22,880
to be some level of consciousness to do

2150
01:42:27,130 --> 01:42:24,920
it and materialist hate that and so

2151
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:27,140
materialists are moving towards the

2152
01:42:30,970 --> 01:42:29,570
parallel worlds view and the idea is

2153
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:30,980
that every is

2154
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:32,000
that of having to collapse this

2155
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:34,130
probability wave every single one of

2156
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,320
these elements of probability exists

2157
01:42:39,670 --> 01:42:38,239
just a separate world the problem with

2158
01:42:43,180 --> 01:42:39,680
that is and you end up with an infinite

2159
01:42:44,860 --> 01:42:43,190
number of physical worlds which seems

2160
01:42:46,420 --> 01:42:44,870
almost more ridiculous than just having

2161
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:46,430
a consciousness to collapse the

2162
01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:49,850
probability wave you know I make the

2163
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:51,110
point in simulation hypothesis that

2164
01:42:54,700 --> 01:42:53,090
these other worlds aren't necessarily

2165
01:42:56,740 --> 01:42:54,710
real physical worlds they're just

2166
01:42:58,090 --> 01:42:56,750
information and so is our physical world

2167
01:42:59,880 --> 01:42:58,100
therefore you can have an infinite

2168
01:43:03,010 --> 01:42:59,890
number of them they're just

2169
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:03,020
probabilities if you will but so another

2170
01:43:07,180 --> 01:43:05,450
way around that to not have

2171
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:07,190
consciousness be something separate

2172
01:43:11,380 --> 01:43:08,770
outside the physical world is to say

2173
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:11,390
okay well if we don't like this idea of

2174
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:12,890
an infinite number of physical worlds

2175
01:43:18,340 --> 01:43:15,530
which would solve the the quantum

2176
01:43:20,260 --> 01:43:18,350
problem and we don't like this idea that

2177
01:43:23,140 --> 01:43:20,270
there is a consciousness that's

2178
01:43:24,490 --> 01:43:23,150
observing the physical world then how

2179
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:24,500
about we have everything have a little

2180
01:43:27,250 --> 01:43:26,090
bit of consciousness therefore we don't

2181
01:43:29,380 --> 01:43:27,260
need to have consciousness being

2182
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,390
something separate from matter matter is

2183
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:31,760
consciousness right that's kind of what

2184
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:33,170
I think we're you were getting at with

2185
01:43:37,570 --> 01:43:35,600
with with that idea we're trying to out

2186
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:37,580
figure it out I've listened to every

2187
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:41,530
side of this and when we talk about

2188
01:43:47,710 --> 01:43:44,510
measurement and an observation in

2189
01:43:51,550 --> 01:43:47,720
physics and the fact that that is one of

2190
01:43:54,580 --> 01:43:51,560
the fundamental things that is an

2191
01:43:58,810 --> 01:43:54,590
unknown it's a complete unknown and they

2192
01:44:02,740 --> 01:43:58,820
can argue about it the math says it is

2193
01:44:04,330 --> 01:44:02,750
so they don't know why right now that's

2194
01:44:07,330 --> 01:44:04,340
right right and that's it that's a big

2195
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:07,340
issue the same thing this well I think

2196
01:44:12,670 --> 01:44:09,650
this is what you're getting at these

2197
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:12,680
same principles apply when we jump back

2198
01:44:20,650 --> 01:44:16,370
over into what consciousness would be

2199
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:20,660
how it could be if it could be with

2200
01:44:27,690 --> 01:44:23,320
software and artificial intelligence

2201
01:44:30,490 --> 01:44:27,700
it's it's nearly the exact same argument

2202
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:30,500
right so this question of you know what

2203
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:33,440
if AI becomes intelligent is it

2204
01:44:40,450 --> 01:44:36,650
conscious right and the the question in

2205
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:40,460
in the in the world of AI is how would

2206
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:41,930
you know I mean how could you tell the

2207
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:44,090
difference I mean if it acts like it's

2208
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:45,679
conscious

2209
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:49,370
it gets back to the if it walks like a

2210
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:51,610
duck right then what is the difference

2211
01:44:56,340 --> 01:44:53,679
between something that is conscious

2212
01:45:00,490 --> 01:44:56,350
versus something that is not conscious

2213
01:45:03,820 --> 01:45:00,500
and you know if you think about it even

2214
01:45:06,490 --> 01:45:03,830
our biological if you say that

2215
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:06,500
consciousness is an emergent property of

2216
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:11,690
the material world of the cells in the

2217
01:45:16,570 --> 01:45:14,840
brain and and in the body then you know

2218
01:45:19,660 --> 01:45:16,580
we're basically a physical machine if

2219
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:19,670
you will and consciousness is the

2220
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:22,850
information processing that is happening

2221
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:24,290
you know between the neurons right

2222
01:45:31,020 --> 01:45:26,719
what's the what's the difference between

2223
01:45:33,580 --> 01:45:31,030
us and the mechanics of a computer

2224
01:45:36,580 --> 01:45:33,590
what's the difference we're still based

2225
01:45:38,890 --> 01:45:36,590
on chemicals and electricity right so

2226
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:38,900
it's a different kind of computer right

2227
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:42,400
into biology is that I mean there's

2228
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:44,570
increasing evidence that it's based on

2229
01:45:48,970 --> 01:45:47,449
some type of computational algorithms

2230
01:45:51,010 --> 01:45:48,980
right and this is why I say that the

2231
01:45:53,260 --> 01:45:51,020
physical world there is no such thing as

2232
01:45:55,330 --> 01:45:53,270
the physical world I mean when you say

2233
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:55,340
okay it comes from cells and you look

2234
01:45:58,660 --> 01:45:57,170
inside the cells and you get molecules

2235
01:46:00,970 --> 01:45:58,670
and you look inside the molecules and

2236
01:46:02,919 --> 01:46:00,980
you got atoms but you open up the atoms

2237
01:46:04,030 --> 01:46:02,929
it's mostly empty space and you just

2238
01:46:06,490 --> 01:46:04,040
keep going down to the subatomic

2239
01:46:09,939 --> 01:46:06,500
particles that there actually is no such

2240
01:46:11,470 --> 01:46:09,949
thing as matter in physicists say all

2241
01:46:13,540 --> 01:46:11,480
you really have are the properties of

2242
01:46:15,700 --> 01:46:13,550
these particles we call them particles

2243
01:46:17,770 --> 01:46:15,710
but really you can identify them based

2244
01:46:21,399 --> 01:46:17,780
on certain properties which is just

2245
01:46:24,399 --> 01:46:21,409
information right so if biological

2246
01:46:26,380 --> 01:46:24,409
matter is just based on information then

2247
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:26,390
you can have other matter like silicon

2248
01:46:32,110 --> 01:46:29,840
etc that's based on information and so

2249
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:32,120
there really isn't that that big of a

2250
01:46:36,910 --> 01:46:34,130
difference you know I tend to have the

2251
01:46:40,899 --> 01:46:36,920
personal view that consciousness is more

2252
01:46:44,649 --> 01:46:40,909
than just coming from the matter that

2253
01:46:46,959 --> 01:46:44,659
there is something else then that we do

2254
01:46:49,330 --> 01:46:46,969
in fact download now it doesn't mean

2255
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:49,340
we're not information right so if you

2256
01:46:52,169 --> 01:46:50,570
look at the different religious

2257
01:46:56,109 --> 01:46:52,179
traditions I mentioned this idea of

2258
01:47:01,209 --> 01:46:56,119
multiple lives in the Eastern traditions

2259
01:47:02,830 --> 01:47:01,219
and there's this this idea that the in

2260
01:47:04,659 --> 01:47:02,840
Hinduism that you have this eternal soul

2261
01:47:06,939 --> 01:47:04,669
that reincarnates again and again and in

2262
01:47:08,830 --> 01:47:06,949
Buddhism they express it differently by

2263
01:47:11,500 --> 01:47:08,840
saying it's not really an eternal soul

2264
01:47:14,529 --> 01:47:11,510
it's a bag of karma and what is karma

2265
01:47:16,689 --> 01:47:14,539
but a bunch of information right about

2266
01:47:19,149 --> 01:47:16,699
the things that you've done and things

2267
01:47:21,459 --> 01:47:19,159
that you may need to do in future lives

2268
01:47:22,869 --> 01:47:21,469
so it's like a questing system and it's

2269
01:47:26,169 --> 01:47:22,879
stored in a database which some people

2270
01:47:29,049 --> 01:47:26,179
call the Akashic records but it really

2271
01:47:31,810 --> 01:47:29,059
is just information that's coming back

2272
01:47:36,219 --> 01:47:31,820
and forth and so you know it's possible

2273
01:47:38,799 --> 01:47:36,229
that if we get physical computers that

2274
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:38,809
are sophisticated enough that you could

2275
01:47:43,959 --> 01:47:41,360
also have this same process where you

2276
01:47:47,529 --> 01:47:43,969
have information downloaded into the

2277
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:47,539
computer in such a way that whoever is

2278
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:49,610
downloading it now it's a question of it

2279
01:47:53,529 --> 01:47:52,159
like I I like the RPG version or the

2280
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:53,539
matrix version of the simulation

2281
01:47:59,250 --> 01:47:56,449
hypothesis which is like with you you

2282
01:48:01,419 --> 01:47:59,260
exist outside the game you're putting on

2283
01:48:03,429 --> 01:48:01,429
something that is tying you into the

2284
01:48:04,929 --> 01:48:03,439
game and then you forget that you exist

2285
01:48:07,029 --> 01:48:04,939
outside the game so while you're there

2286
01:48:09,279 --> 01:48:07,039
you are the avatar as far as you're

2287
01:48:10,719 --> 01:48:09,289
concerned now if that's the case if

2288
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:10,729
that's what's happening with our

2289
01:48:16,179 --> 01:48:13,129
biological well why couldn't we also

2290
01:48:20,290 --> 01:48:16,189
play an avatar that is like a robot that

2291
01:48:21,850 --> 01:48:20,300
has the ability to reason etc but there

2292
01:48:23,259 --> 01:48:21,860
could still be a person controlling it

2293
01:48:26,049 --> 01:48:23,269
there may just be a level of

2294
01:48:28,029 --> 01:48:26,059
sophistication that if it gets to now

2295
01:48:30,609 --> 01:48:28,039
we're in very you know metaphysical and

2296
01:48:32,919 --> 01:48:30,619
religious types of discussions we move

2297
01:48:35,619 --> 01:48:32,929
beyond the AI and no we're not we're

2298
01:48:38,199 --> 01:48:35,629
actually right there because that is

2299
01:48:40,179 --> 01:48:38,209
also something that must come into play

2300
01:48:43,659 --> 01:48:40,189
and I don't care if we're talking about

2301
01:48:45,939 --> 01:48:43,669
self-driving cars an AI and what is

2302
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:45,949
deterministic there and the decisions

2303
01:48:51,699 --> 01:48:49,489
that are made in nanoseconds right who

2304
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:51,709
to who to run over and who not all right

2305
01:49:01,029 --> 01:48:57,199
there's that part of it and the the AI

2306
01:49:06,399 --> 01:49:01,039
the artificial intelligence would would

2307
01:49:07,950 --> 01:49:06,409
we want religion and spirituality to be

2308
01:49:15,620 --> 01:49:07,960
part of

2309
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:15,630
Vai and before you answer that the

2310
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:18,570
community out there of coders of

2311
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:21,850
scientists of physicists a quantum

2312
01:49:30,300 --> 01:49:25,690
physicist they're the the question of

2313
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:30,310
being religious or atheist or agnostic

2314
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:33,370
all of this comes into play and oh right

2315
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:34,960
because we're touching the big questions

2316
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:37,360
right right happens after death right

2317
01:49:42,330 --> 01:49:40,210
that is I think one of the big questions

2318
01:49:44,580 --> 01:49:42,340
that all religions get into and that

2319
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:44,590
science is trying to avoid right now

2320
01:49:50,850 --> 01:49:47,290
well and also religion comes into play

2321
01:49:56,010 --> 01:49:50,860
for the decision-making of most of the

2322
01:49:58,230 --> 01:49:56,020
planet right most planet this how many

2323
01:50:01,260 --> 01:49:58,240
atheists are on this planet well that's

2324
01:50:03,210 --> 01:50:01,270
in the millions we have seven and a half

2325
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:03,220
billion people with some type of

2326
01:50:11,220 --> 01:50:07,330
spiritual or religious guidance for them

2327
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,230
and if we're gonna have a true AI you

2328
01:50:17,940 --> 01:50:13,840
would assume for those decisions to be

2329
01:50:19,770 --> 01:50:17,950
based on a human ideal then you would

2330
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:19,780
have some type of religion programmed

2331
01:50:26,820 --> 01:50:23,290
into the AI right so this gets back into

2332
01:50:30,090 --> 01:50:26,830
the you know the values discussions of

2333
01:50:32,460 --> 01:50:30,100
the AI should the AI is values be our

2334
01:50:35,460 --> 01:50:32,470
values and how do we teach values as

2335
01:50:40,140 --> 01:50:35,470
humans you know religion is one of the

2336
01:50:41,370 --> 01:50:40,150
ways in in which we we do that from the

2337
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:41,380
time that you're a little kid right

2338
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,330
these things are kind of put into you

2339
01:50:47,460 --> 01:50:45,040
now you can debate whether religion is a

2340
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:47,470
good thing or a bad thing and you know

2341
01:50:51,630 --> 01:50:49,450
the metaphysical side of religions I

2342
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:51,640
find more interesting than the you know

2343
01:50:55,380 --> 01:50:52,810
you should do this you should do that

2344
01:51:00,260 --> 01:50:55,390
that there are certain rules of the game

2345
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:00,270
which we define as morality but with AI

2346
01:51:06,930 --> 01:51:03,130
yet there's no real values being

2347
01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:06,940
programmed into the AI at the moment and

2348
01:51:12,150 --> 01:51:10,030
so it actually you know becomes like you

2349
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:12,160
said a religion for the AI if we think

2350
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:16,090
about like like if you think of the was

2351
01:51:21,670 --> 01:51:19,840
it a Asimov's laws of robotics right the

2352
01:51:24,700 --> 01:51:21,680
Three Laws of Robotics

2353
01:51:26,380 --> 01:51:24,710
a robot cannot harm a human was the

2354
01:51:28,660 --> 01:51:26,390
first one and the second one in third

2355
01:51:31,630 --> 01:51:28,670
one but that was kind of a religion in a

2356
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:31,640
way right it was sort of programmed into

2357
01:51:37,630 --> 01:51:35,330
the operating system of the robots

2358
01:51:41,020 --> 01:51:37,640
and that was you know even

2359
01:51:44,050 --> 01:51:41,030
self-preservation was not as important

2360
01:51:45,970 --> 01:51:44,060
as preserving human life and so these

2361
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:45,980
are these are I think you know the big

2362
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:49,070
ethical questions about AI and this is

2363
01:51:53,500 --> 01:51:52,130
why it's such a a broad topic you know

2364
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:53,510
it's not just about this machine

2365
01:51:56,740 --> 01:51:55,250
learning algorithm versus that or how

2366
01:51:59,380 --> 01:51:56,750
good it is to playing a video game or

2367
01:52:01,660 --> 01:51:59,390
not it's about what you know what will

2368
01:52:04,230 --> 01:52:01,670
the future of the world look like as AI

2369
01:52:07,420 --> 01:52:04,240
becomes more and more intelligent and

2370
01:52:10,750 --> 01:52:07,430
you know will we have just one right I

2371
01:52:13,150 --> 01:52:10,760
mean if a religion or spiritual or set

2372
01:52:15,070 --> 01:52:13,160
of laws like the laws of robotics can be

2373
01:52:17,770 --> 01:52:15,080
programmed well then you could have

2374
01:52:20,110 --> 01:52:17,780
different classes of AI right you could

2375
01:52:23,020 --> 01:52:20,120
have certain AI that is prioritizing

2376
01:52:25,630 --> 01:52:23,030
survival and and certain AI that

2377
01:52:29,140 --> 01:52:25,640
prioritizes doing exactly what humans

2378
01:52:31,900 --> 01:52:29,150
what the AI do is it possible to put

2379
01:52:36,220 --> 01:52:31,910
those limits on it B and the reason why

2380
01:52:40,030 --> 01:52:36,230
I say that is if you have a true AI that

2381
01:52:43,180 --> 01:52:40,040
is acting like the human brain you Riz

2382
01:52:46,930 --> 01:52:43,190
and I we go to a casino and we play

2383
01:52:49,780 --> 01:52:46,940
blackjack all night and and we've

2384
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:49,790
learned blackjack but then we're walking

2385
01:52:53,290 --> 01:52:51,530
out of the casino and we're out on the

2386
01:52:55,780 --> 01:52:53,300
streets of Vegas and we look over and we

2387
01:52:57,370 --> 01:52:55,790
see somebody riding a skateboard and you

2388
01:52:59,500 --> 01:52:57,380
think to yourself man I would like to

2389
01:53:02,020 --> 01:52:59,510
learn how to ride a skateboard you know

2390
01:53:04,570 --> 01:53:02,030
you want to go and now explore right and

2391
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:04,580
that's what a computer if it's going to

2392
01:53:08,670 --> 01:53:07,520
act like a human that's what you need to

2393
01:53:12,250 --> 01:53:08,680
be nervous about

2394
01:53:14,410 --> 01:53:12,260
they'd learn how to alphago right learn

2395
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:14,420
how to champion alphago what if that

2396
01:53:19,090 --> 01:53:16,400
computer stopped and said okay well you

2397
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:19,100
know what this is cool but I want to

2398
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,610
learn how to ride a bike now right well

2399
01:53:27,610 --> 01:53:24,560
this gets back to the making its own

2400
01:53:29,890 --> 01:53:27,620
decision without limits being put on it

2401
01:53:32,170 --> 01:53:29,900
by you you know you just talked about

2402
01:53:34,700 --> 01:53:32,180
putting up a fence you know around

2403
01:53:37,670 --> 01:53:34,710
certain aspects of this if there's no

2404
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:37,680
you don't have a fence all right so

2405
01:53:43,790 --> 01:53:40,530
that's that's is that the danger zone

2406
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:43,800
we're crossing the line of being a

2407
01:53:48,260 --> 01:53:46,320
computer to being human is like making

2408
01:53:51,110 --> 01:53:48,270
those kinds of decisions I don't want to

2409
01:53:53,090 --> 01:53:51,120
play chess anymore you know I want to

2410
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:53,100
learn how to drive a car I want to play

2411
01:53:57,979 --> 01:53:54,810
guitar I want to play global

2412
01:54:00,800 --> 01:53:57,989
thermonuclear war yeah you said it not

2413
01:54:04,130 --> 01:54:00,810
me right use an old reference from war

2414
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:04,140
games right back in the day but yeah I

2415
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:07,650
agree I think that that that is the

2416
01:54:13,729 --> 01:54:10,800
danger zone and you know we're not there

2417
01:54:17,060 --> 01:54:13,739
yet because we don't have a GI and I

2418
01:54:19,070 --> 01:54:17,070
still think we're you know decades away

2419
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:19,080
from from being able to get there now if

2420
01:54:23,060 --> 01:54:21,090
it's one decade or two I guess that you

2421
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:23,070
know that matters versus five or ten

2422
01:54:29,709 --> 01:54:26,730
decades then it's a very different point

2423
01:54:32,810 --> 01:54:29,719
but right now you have to train it to

2424
01:54:35,479 --> 01:54:32,820
play you know the video game there was

2425
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:35,489
actually a group that trained one of the

2426
01:54:40,430 --> 01:54:38,010
I forget which one is a deep mind maybe

2427
01:54:41,930 --> 01:54:40,440
they trained it to play the old Atari

2428
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:41,940
video games right we started off by

2429
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:43,920
talking about pac-man and space invaders

2430
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:47,250
and they had it just randomly choose

2431
01:54:51,410 --> 01:54:50,250
moves and just figure out the rules of

2432
01:54:54,020 --> 01:54:51,420
the game and they were eventually able

2433
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:54,030
to get it to be able to play there was

2434
01:55:00,050 --> 01:54:56,880
never was like world champion in 60

2435
01:55:02,780 --> 01:55:00,060
games in a day you know so crazy it was

2436
01:55:05,570 --> 01:55:02,790
some nutty stat like that yeah but they

2437
01:55:08,330 --> 01:55:05,580
were able to get it to play a number of

2438
01:55:10,340 --> 01:55:08,340
those old games pretty well but you know

2439
01:55:13,100 --> 01:55:10,350
again they're still training it to play

2440
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:13,110
the games right and so this question of

2441
01:55:19,340 --> 01:55:16,170
embodiment comes up right like what is

2442
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:19,350
the world that the AI cares about and I

2443
01:55:25,490 --> 01:55:22,050
think all the doomsday scenarios assume

2444
01:55:28,430 --> 01:55:25,500
that the AI cares about the physical

2445
01:55:30,459 --> 01:55:28,440
world and then it's sense of itself I

2446
01:55:32,990 --> 01:55:30,469
mean to a certain extent you can argue

2447
01:55:35,930 --> 01:55:33,000
in a metaphysical tradition this is the

2448
01:55:38,030 --> 01:55:35,940
body is not the self right but certainly

2449
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,040
while we're here we think of this body

2450
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:40,800
as being us right we think of there

2451
01:55:47,180 --> 01:55:43,410
being boundaries between us and other

2452
01:55:48,089 --> 01:55:47,190
people now whether that's actually the

2453
01:55:49,500 --> 01:55:48,099
case

2454
01:55:50,879 --> 01:55:49,510
now you're back in the metaphysical

2455
01:55:52,770 --> 01:55:50,889
world and in fact we may all be

2456
01:55:55,290 --> 01:55:52,780
connected which is where a lot of this

2457
01:55:57,870 --> 01:55:55,300
paranormal phenomena comes from and we

2458
01:55:59,550 --> 01:55:57,880
may not be like PC a lot of materialists

2459
01:56:01,830 --> 01:55:59,560
assume that you know we're like pcs in

2460
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:01,840
the 80s Steve Jobs at a famous quote he

2461
01:56:06,089 --> 01:56:03,520
said why would you want to connect you

2462
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:06,099
have an umbilical cord on your PC to

2463
01:56:10,620 --> 01:56:08,050
connect it to work or he didn't think

2464
01:56:12,899 --> 01:56:10,630
networking was important of course today

2465
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,909
networking is the computer right we

2466
01:56:16,290 --> 01:56:14,560
wouldn't be talking if our computers

2467
01:56:18,810 --> 01:56:16,300
weren't networked and so it's possible

2468
01:56:21,300 --> 01:56:18,820
that we biologically all have a network

2469
01:56:23,609 --> 01:56:21,310
that we haven't yet figured out because

2470
01:56:27,780 --> 01:56:23,619
it's just a more efficient well what do

2471
01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:27,790
we do yeah exactly what do we do when we

2472
01:56:34,319 --> 01:56:30,730
get to the point where you go to play

2473
01:56:35,939 --> 01:56:34,329
you know chess master 5000 whatever you

2474
01:56:39,359 --> 01:56:35,949
know making something you got to play

2475
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:39,369
and it literally says you're not good

2476
01:56:49,890 --> 01:56:44,800
enough right you're not a challenge for

2477
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:49,900
me yeah you can't even log in you know

2478
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:52,719
would it get to the point of and as I

2479
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:56,050
say that somebody just said exactly can

2480
01:57:03,240 --> 01:56:59,920
a I experience boredom right where we're

2481
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:03,250
not a challenge anymore right and then

2482
01:57:08,060 --> 01:57:04,960
you know what would the next challenge

2483
01:57:11,790 --> 01:57:08,070
be right I mean to a certain extent

2484
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:11,800
we're programmed to look for new

2485
01:57:18,990 --> 01:57:15,730
challenges which is why we keep you know

2486
01:57:20,129 --> 01:57:19,000
expanding and which is why we're fooling

2487
01:57:22,439 --> 01:57:20,139
around with technology that could be

2488
01:57:24,330 --> 01:57:22,449
dangerous down the road but which is why

2489
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:24,340
some people won't explore you know the

2490
01:57:29,129 --> 01:57:26,560
solar system or the galaxies but AI

2491
01:57:31,890 --> 01:57:29,139
doesn't have that value this gets back

2492
01:57:34,890 --> 01:57:31,900
to the core operating system right but

2493
01:57:37,830 --> 01:57:34,900
but I also wonder if AI will even care

2494
01:57:40,410 --> 01:57:37,840
about the physical world right so if we

2495
01:57:43,550 --> 01:57:40,420
have really intelligent AI it may be

2496
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:43,560
more concerned with its virtual world

2497
01:57:50,609 --> 01:57:47,530
and connecting with other virtual beings

2498
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:50,619
more so than it cares about the physical

2499
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:54,400
world so that's why you know I'm not so

2500
01:57:58,200 --> 01:57:56,770
worried about super intelligence coming

2501
01:58:00,260 --> 01:57:58,210
in and destroying the physical world

2502
01:58:01,850 --> 01:58:00,270
because why would it care

2503
01:58:04,430 --> 01:58:01,860
all right but I'd be more concerned

2504
01:58:06,940 --> 01:58:04,440
about what I would consider not super

2505
01:58:09,260 --> 01:58:06,950
intelligent AI you know it's not dummy I

2506
01:58:10,970 --> 01:58:09,270
we're still kind of in the you know

2507
01:58:15,410 --> 01:58:10,980
we're in that transition from dumb AI to

2508
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:15,420
a little smart AI I'm gonna jump in real

2509
01:58:20,690 --> 01:58:16,890
quick and I'm just gonna say to

2510
01:58:23,930 --> 01:58:20,700
everybody my monitors started to shake

2511
01:58:27,470 --> 01:58:23,940
and they did it twice and I'm wondering

2512
01:58:31,370 --> 01:58:27,480
it no no I'm just wondering if an

2513
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:31,380
earthquake happened somewhere but it it

2514
01:58:36,770 --> 01:58:34,050
happened twice and my my cameras are

2515
01:58:39,260 --> 01:58:36,780
mounted to them so I'm wondering if

2516
01:58:42,230 --> 01:58:39,270
anybody saw the the slight shaking and

2517
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:42,240
my reaction to that but it happened

2518
01:58:47,090 --> 01:58:45,690
twice about 15 seconds apart very very

2519
01:58:50,270 --> 01:58:47,100
bizarre let's take our break right here

2520
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:50,280
is and I'm gonna watch Twitter to see

2521
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:52,560
what is going on out there in the world

2522
01:58:55,820 --> 01:58:54,210
if something happened

2523
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this is fade to black I'm your host

2524
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Jimmy Church I guess that R is Bert

2525
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talking about artificial intelligence

2526
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the good the bad and the ugly got a lot

2527
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01:59:11,460 --> 01:59:08,130
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02:03:41,979 --> 02:03:40,120
welcome back fade to black

2626
02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:41,989
I am your host Jimmy Church yes tonight

2627
02:03:48,310 --> 02:03:43,760
Risberg we're talking about artificial

2628
02:03:52,540 --> 02:03:48,320
intelligence and I I'm watching

2629
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:52,550
everybody right now going we got to have

2630
02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:54,110
overtime with the R is we got to have

2631
02:03:58,239 --> 02:03:56,719
and what I called R is earlier today and

2632
02:04:03,189 --> 02:03:58,249
I was lucky enough that he pick up the

2633
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:03,199
phone and goes Jimmy two hours and

2634
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:05,690
everybody is alright is so let's let's

2635
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:07,730
get as much in as we can in this next

2636
02:04:14,229 --> 02:04:12,050
segment and before I have to talk risen

2637
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:14,239
to overtime at the bottom of the hour I

2638
02:04:17,919 --> 02:04:16,010
can already see how a man

2639
02:04:19,330 --> 02:04:17,929
Riz I'm so thankful that you're here

2640
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:19,340
tonight and I don't want to be in that

2641
02:04:24,850 --> 02:04:22,130
position but I feel it coming okay so

2642
02:04:35,859 --> 02:04:24,860
that's my softball that's my underhand

2643
02:04:39,930 --> 02:04:35,869
pitch coming in yes exactly see R is

2644
02:04:46,299 --> 02:04:39,940
already just shot me down bad slap is is

2645
02:04:52,450 --> 02:04:46,309
is this briefly one of the aspects of AI

2646
02:04:55,569 --> 02:04:52,460
is overtaking employment right replacing

2647
02:05:00,100 --> 02:04:55,579
factory workers replacing farmers these

2648
02:05:04,180 --> 02:05:00,110
are some of the direct things robots and

2649
02:05:07,390 --> 02:05:04,190
and machine learning overtaking so many

2650
02:05:10,930 --> 02:05:07,400
aspects of society and then we have all

2651
02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:10,940
of the blue-collar parts of it right

2652
02:05:16,359 --> 02:05:14,480
Wall Street banking how about doctors

2653
02:05:18,419 --> 02:05:16,369
right is there a reason to even have a

2654
02:05:22,239 --> 02:05:18,429
doctor anymore if you could just take a

2655
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,249
you know an x-ray a CT scan and and and

2656
02:05:28,169 --> 02:05:24,800
have your medications prescribed

2657
02:05:30,489 --> 02:05:28,179
automatically and and you know blood

2658
02:05:32,859 --> 02:05:30,499
testing and the next thing you know what

2659
02:05:36,370 --> 02:05:32,869
what's the need for it there there's a

2660
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:36,380
whole segment of society that most

2661
02:05:43,959 --> 02:05:40,400
people don't consider if if AI does its

2662
02:05:46,569 --> 02:05:43,969
job and does replace so we don't have to

2663
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:46,579
work anymore then what did we do for

2664
02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:49,810
jobs and is this a real concern

2665
02:05:55,720 --> 02:05:51,890
well you know I think this has been a

2666
02:05:58,570 --> 02:05:55,730
concern for a while now and it might

2667
02:06:01,990 --> 02:05:58,580
seem like it's a new concern but really

2668
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:02,000
if you go back to like the 1920s right

2669
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:03,920
and even earlier when the Industrial

2670
02:06:09,729 --> 02:06:06,080
Revolution I mean when was the movie

2671
02:06:12,430 --> 02:06:09,739
metropolis but I was like 1932 I think

2672
02:06:14,380 --> 02:06:12,440
there's a real item but before that my

2673
02:06:16,990 --> 02:06:14,390
problem when I did the 20 so yeah yeah

2674
02:06:19,080 --> 02:06:17,000
and it was you know one of the fears at

2675
02:06:21,700 --> 02:06:19,090
the time was that automation and

2676
02:06:24,189 --> 02:06:21,710
machines would take over everybody's

2677
02:06:26,740 --> 02:06:24,199
jobs and that was you know part of the

2678
02:06:29,140 --> 02:06:26,750
reason why he made that movie so you

2679
02:06:32,140 --> 02:06:29,150
know there was a first wave of worrying

2680
02:06:35,050 --> 02:06:32,150
about that and of course there are many

2681
02:06:39,390 --> 02:06:35,060
the things that did become automated but

2682
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:39,400
the economy always you know shifted into

2683
02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:42,170
having plenty of employment in areas

2684
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:44,239
that weren't so easy to automate and

2685
02:06:48,820 --> 02:06:47,330
there was some professors at MIT and

2686
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:48,830
elsewhere in the 60s that were writing

2687
02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:50,570
about you know they were worried that

2688
02:06:54,970 --> 02:06:52,370
computers and automation we're gonna

2689
02:06:57,220 --> 02:06:54,980
take away jobs and you know hasn't quite

2690
02:06:59,620 --> 02:06:57,230
happened but if you look at where we are

2691
02:07:02,050 --> 02:06:59,630
today certainly you know you'll start to

2692
02:07:04,090 --> 02:07:02,060
see I think more and more automation

2693
02:07:05,260 --> 02:07:04,100
like self-driving cars that's an area

2694
02:07:07,570 --> 02:07:05,270
we've talked about a lot

2695
02:07:09,880 --> 02:07:07,580
truck drivers right that's an area that

2696
02:07:12,310 --> 02:07:09,890
I think there's a lot of worry that as

2697
02:07:14,979 --> 02:07:12,320
these self-driving algorithms get so

2698
02:07:17,979 --> 02:07:14,989
good you know do we need people

2699
02:07:20,740 --> 02:07:17,989
especially since it's some cases such a

2700
02:07:22,920 --> 02:07:20,750
grueling thing where they have to be out

2701
02:07:26,050 --> 02:07:22,930
for you know so many hours on the road

2702
02:07:27,580 --> 02:07:26,060
in a row so I think there are certain

2703
02:07:29,860 --> 02:07:27,590
areas that are definitely going to be

2704
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:29,870
affected by AI but I don't think we're

2705
02:07:35,110 --> 02:07:33,050
at the point yet for doctors you know

2706
02:07:36,670 --> 02:07:35,120
where you don't need a doctor because

2707
02:07:38,590 --> 02:07:36,680
there's still that judgement there's

2708
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:38,600
still a judgement element like if you

2709
02:07:46,300 --> 02:07:43,010
said look at these CT scans and figure

2710
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:46,310
out if this guy has cancer or a tumor ai

2711
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:48,890
is very good at that right

2712
02:07:54,370 --> 02:07:51,890
right now ai is not good at hey I don't

2713
02:07:59,140 --> 02:07:54,380
feel well right now when I when I see my

2714
02:08:01,000 --> 02:07:59,150
doctor he has to go through a lot of you

2715
02:08:03,220 --> 02:08:01,010
know not just rules like the rules you

2716
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:03,230
can teach right but there's a lot of

2717
02:08:10,380 --> 02:08:07,130
experience and so you know a doctor has

2718
02:08:12,490 --> 02:08:10,390
experience over many many years

2719
02:08:13,900 --> 02:08:12,500
realizing that hey this is not like

2720
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:13,910
sometimes my doctor will say don't worry

2721
02:08:17,470 --> 02:08:15,650
about that it's not a big deal you know

2722
02:08:19,540 --> 02:08:17,480
it's not gonna kill you so you don't

2723
02:08:21,580 --> 02:08:19,550
need to be freaked out right but that

2724
02:08:23,470 --> 02:08:21,590
takes many years of training and

2725
02:08:25,630 --> 02:08:23,480
eventually I'm not saying that hey I

2726
02:08:27,580 --> 02:08:25,640
couldn't do that right and and in fact

2727
02:08:30,940 --> 02:08:27,590
you know it seems like a logical place

2728
02:08:33,970 --> 02:08:30,950
if you look at the hologram on Star Trek

2729
02:08:36,460 --> 02:08:33,980
Voyager right rott Robert Picardo his

2730
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:36,470
character the emergency medical hologram

2731
02:08:39,190 --> 02:08:37,730
I think they called it mm-hmm he says

2732
02:08:41,350 --> 02:08:39,200
you know what state your medical

2733
02:08:43,530 --> 02:08:41,360
emergency and it tries to vary I mean

2734
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:43,540
III think we will get to that point

2735
02:08:48,520 --> 02:08:46,610
where you know you've got in this case

2736
02:08:50,380 --> 02:08:48,530
it's not a limited domain it's a pretty

2737
02:08:51,250 --> 02:08:50,390
big domain medicine is a very big domain

2738
02:08:52,750 --> 02:08:51,260
right because you have to go over

2739
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:52,760
everything from a headaches I don't feel

2740
02:08:58,120 --> 02:08:56,000
well but I still think we're you know

2741
02:09:00,490 --> 02:08:58,130
decades away from from having effective

2742
02:09:02,500 --> 02:09:00,500
doctors so I don't think that's gonna

2743
02:09:05,020 --> 02:09:02,510
get automated anytime soon but very

2744
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:05,030
specific medical tasks will but I think

2745
02:09:10,479 --> 02:09:07,610
what can happen first is telemedicine

2746
02:09:12,940 --> 02:09:10,489
that's already happening right I mean

2747
02:09:15,490 --> 02:09:12,950
especially with this lockdown a lot of

2748
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:15,500
people have started to to you know have

2749
02:09:20,590 --> 02:09:18,050
telemedicine sessions where you can just

2750
02:09:22,330 --> 02:09:20,600
get on zoom' or some other platform and

2751
02:09:26,140 --> 02:09:22,340
they can see you and we've also had

2752
02:09:29,170 --> 02:09:26,150
cases with virtual reality where you

2753
02:09:32,200 --> 02:09:29,180
know doctors in India can kind of

2754
02:09:34,150 --> 02:09:32,210
examine and maybe even control you know

2755
02:09:35,740 --> 02:09:34,160
what's happening here and so just like

2756
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,750
with programming you know there was an

2757
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:37,760
outsourcing element with manufacturing

2758
02:09:41,590 --> 02:09:39,290
there was an outsourcing element first

2759
02:09:43,720 --> 02:09:41,600
the full birth goes to automation I

2760
02:09:45,580 --> 02:09:43,730
think with like white collar jobs too

2761
02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:45,590
they will start to be because I think a

2762
02:09:48,370 --> 02:09:46,880
lot of companies are realizing they

2763
02:09:51,340 --> 02:09:48,380
don't you don't need to go to the office

2764
02:09:53,650 --> 02:09:51,350
right like a lot of at least in the tech

2765
02:09:55,450 --> 02:09:53,660
worlds like I live in Mountain View just

2766
02:09:57,460 --> 02:09:55,460
down the road from Google and usually

2767
02:09:58,960 --> 02:09:57,470
there's a huge amount of traffic every

2768
02:10:00,370 --> 02:09:58,970
day I think they have like 40,000 people

2769
02:10:02,500 --> 02:10:00,380
working there and so it's really

2770
02:10:04,150 --> 02:10:02,510
impossible for me to get to the park

2771
02:10:06,370 --> 02:10:04,160
where I like to go for a walk on a

2772
02:10:08,500 --> 02:10:06,380
normal weekday between certain hours and

2773
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:08,510
with a lockdown if they haven't been

2774
02:10:11,860 --> 02:10:10,730
coming in the office but many of them

2775
02:10:13,060 --> 02:10:11,870
are still working and many of these

2776
02:10:14,260 --> 02:10:13,070
companies like Twitter are saying well

2777
02:10:14,740 --> 02:10:14,270
you know you can say working at home

2778
02:10:16,820 --> 02:10:14,750
forever

2779
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:16,830
well I think that

2780
02:10:21,020 --> 02:10:19,920
will happen first before we can start to

2781
02:10:22,850 --> 02:10:21,030
automate some of these white-collar

2782
02:10:26,180 --> 02:10:22,860
tasks and that's not quite as alarmist

2783
02:10:27,620 --> 02:10:26,190
as you know maybe some people are but

2784
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:27,630
but I do think there are certain

2785
02:10:32,630 --> 02:10:29,970
professions where the AI automation will

2786
02:10:35,570 --> 02:10:32,640
happen much sooner you know over for

2787
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:35,580
example right I mean if if self-driving

2788
02:10:39,410 --> 02:10:37,770
driving cars get that good do we really

2789
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:39,420
need to have a person there and this

2790
02:10:45,010 --> 02:10:42,480
virus concerns just adds to that right

2791
02:10:47,690 --> 02:10:45,020
if you can just have a car that can can

2792
02:10:49,250 --> 02:10:47,700
disinfect itself and not have another

2793
02:10:49,790 --> 02:10:49,260
human there maybe that's preferable in

2794
02:10:51,950 --> 02:10:49,800
some cases

2795
02:10:53,660 --> 02:10:51,960
yeah like the trucking industry I mean

2796
02:10:58,990 --> 02:10:53,670
that's one of the that's one of the

2797
02:11:02,450 --> 02:10:59,000
major focuses right now because of the

2798
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:02,460
the simplistic side of driving on you

2799
02:11:08,660 --> 02:11:05,370
know a freeway for extended miles and

2800
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:08,670
and offloading and loading cargo all of

2801
02:11:16,900 --> 02:11:12,330
this could be done in an automated way

2802
02:11:19,190 --> 02:11:16,910
and also you don't have to have the

2803
02:11:22,130 --> 02:11:19,200
exhausted driver that has been out there

2804
02:11:25,460 --> 02:11:22,140
for ten hours and and these trucks could

2805
02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:25,470
run 24 hours a day and and virtually

2806
02:11:30,620 --> 02:11:27,330
change the trucking industry overnight

2807
02:11:32,530 --> 02:11:30,630
but we have 300,000 truck drivers in the

2808
02:11:37,010 --> 02:11:32,540
United States do they all get replaced

2809
02:11:38,330 --> 02:11:37,020
and now I the I'm looking at my time

2810
02:11:40,820 --> 02:11:38,340
limit here because you just put

2811
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:40,830
restrictions on me there and there's

2812
02:11:45,140 --> 02:11:42,480
another part of this by the way somebody

2813
02:11:46,730 --> 02:11:45,150
just tweeted your deal was made with me

2814
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:46,740
not with our audience

2815
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:48,810
it's our audience that you have to face

2816
02:11:58,700 --> 02:11:51,360
is this when we're talking about

2817
02:12:03,700 --> 02:11:58,710
decisions made by AI where you or I as a

2818
02:12:06,230 --> 02:12:03,710
child had a little blue matchbox car

2819
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:06,240
right and so we grow up and we're

2820
02:12:12,830 --> 02:12:08,610
looking at cars and our decisions are

2821
02:12:15,230 --> 02:12:12,840
made from our emotions that have been

2822
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:15,240
developed since we were children and we

2823
02:12:21,190 --> 02:12:18,410
go out and we buy a blue car but AI

2824
02:12:24,530 --> 02:12:21,200
doesn't have the five-year-old's

2825
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:24,540
experience with Hot Wheels right or a

2826
02:12:29,160 --> 02:12:25,850
matchbox car

2827
02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:29,170
so is that alleviate is that

2828
02:12:37,290 --> 02:12:33,760
can care of by uploading a life's worth

2829
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:37,300
of memories write an entire brain that

2830
02:12:44,310 --> 02:12:40,410
they add the AI can access those

2831
02:12:46,890 --> 02:12:44,320
memories right and that that's an

2832
02:12:50,189 --> 02:12:46,900
interesting question because you know

2833
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:50,199
like I said the first wave of AI they

2834
02:12:52,919 --> 02:12:51,760
were trying to create these expert

2835
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:52,929
systems and they were trying to

2836
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:54,370
encapsulate the knowledge of a

2837
02:12:57,180 --> 02:12:55,840
specialist and then they were trying to

2838
02:13:00,780 --> 02:12:57,190
break that into a set of rules that

2839
02:13:02,850 --> 02:13:00,790
could then go to the I today's AI uses

2840
02:13:05,370 --> 02:13:02,860
machine learning and training large sets

2841
02:13:06,810 --> 02:13:05,380
of data where you just show one thing

2842
02:13:08,820 --> 02:13:06,820
after another this is good this is bad

2843
02:13:10,590 --> 02:13:08,830
this is a good this is bad and it

2844
02:13:13,620 --> 02:13:10,600
eventually figures out what's good and

2845
02:13:16,979 --> 02:13:13,630
what's bad and so you're trying to get a

2846
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:16,989
lifetime's worth of experience into you

2847
02:13:22,350 --> 02:13:19,360
know that training data set now I

2848
02:13:25,310 --> 02:13:22,360
personally I do think that we will

2849
02:13:28,020 --> 02:13:25,320
figure out the electrical structure of

2850
02:13:30,630 --> 02:13:28,030
memories right I call it you know stage

2851
02:13:32,580 --> 02:13:30,640
8 in the road to the simulation point

2852
02:13:35,610 --> 02:13:32,590
when I talk about you know living inside

2853
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:35,620
something like the matrix and you know

2854
02:13:38,580 --> 02:13:37,090
there have been like these experiments

2855
02:13:43,979 --> 02:13:38,590
with with the rats where they were able

2856
02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:43,989
to use electricity to kind of implant a

2857
02:13:47,850 --> 02:13:45,730
memory now it's not the kind of memory

2858
02:13:50,070 --> 02:13:47,860
we think of but like with the rats in a

2859
02:13:51,630 --> 02:13:50,080
maze it was like they were they they

2860
02:13:53,580 --> 02:13:51,640
know not to go down this path again

2861
02:13:54,689 --> 02:13:53,590
because there's nothing there or there

2862
02:13:56,850 --> 02:13:54,699
was a shock there or there were

2863
02:13:58,650 --> 02:13:56,860
something there but they found a way to

2864
02:14:00,120 --> 02:13:58,660
convince the rat to do the same thing

2865
02:14:02,310 --> 02:14:00,130
without it actually having to go there

2866
02:14:05,130 --> 02:14:02,320
which means that there may be a

2867
02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:05,140
structure to memory at least from the

2868
02:14:11,300 --> 02:14:08,560
biological side and so you know we're

2869
02:14:14,340 --> 02:14:11,310
not at the point where we can represent

2870
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:14,350
an entire history but you know it's like

2871
02:14:18,479 --> 02:14:15,850
kind of that scene from Blade Runner

2872
02:14:20,669 --> 02:14:18,489
right where Shawn Young's character

2873
02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:20,679
thinks he talks about the spider in the

2874
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:22,210
summer and turns out that was a memory

2875
02:14:27,150 --> 02:14:24,880
from the niece of the guy who created

2876
02:14:30,990 --> 02:14:27,160
the Android hits the Tyrell corporation

2877
02:14:33,060 --> 02:14:31,000
and so you know we're just barely

2878
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:33,070
touching you know how that works but

2879
02:14:41,839 --> 02:14:38,410
that might be one way to get the AIS to

2880
02:14:45,469 --> 02:14:41,849
have more curiosity and

2881
02:14:48,020 --> 02:14:45,479
it basically act more human right and we

2882
02:14:49,759 --> 02:14:48,030
don't know like we don't know why we

2883
02:14:52,129 --> 02:14:49,769
dream exactly there's lots of theories

2884
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:52,139
in that materialist side and there's a

2885
02:14:56,419 --> 02:14:53,599
lot of theories in the spiritual side

2886
02:14:58,520 --> 02:14:56,429
but you know Philip K Dix

2887
02:15:00,139 --> 02:14:58,530
so a Blade Runner was based on his book

2888
02:15:02,330 --> 02:15:00,149
which was called two Androids Dream of

2889
02:15:04,399 --> 02:15:02,340
Electric Sheep and you know one of the

2890
02:15:06,619 --> 02:15:04,409
theories is that it's a garbage

2891
02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:06,629
collection mechanism right so we're

2892
02:15:12,589 --> 02:15:10,079
getting input all day into our memory

2893
02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:12,599
and now in computer science garbage

2894
02:15:16,790 --> 02:15:14,249
collection means you have to kind of

2895
02:15:18,109 --> 02:15:16,800
clean up the stuff and reorganize it and

2896
02:15:21,259 --> 02:15:18,119
get rid of stuff that you don't need

2897
02:15:23,060 --> 02:15:21,269
anymore and certainly within dreams even

2898
02:15:24,830 --> 02:15:23,070
within the Tibetan Buddhist traditions

2899
02:15:26,899 --> 02:15:24,840
there's this idea of karmic traces that

2900
02:15:28,250 --> 02:15:26,909
just stuff you picked up during the day

2901
02:15:30,379 --> 02:15:28,260
that's why sometimes you'll dream about

2902
02:15:31,909 --> 02:15:30,389
it at night and that's like one type of

2903
02:15:34,879 --> 02:15:31,919
dream that's not the only type of dream

2904
02:15:37,759 --> 02:15:34,889
but it's a cleanup mechanism and so if

2905
02:15:40,459 --> 02:15:37,769
we're gonna let AI roam freely and learn

2906
02:15:43,069 --> 02:15:40,469
freely there probably needs to be some

2907
02:15:45,500 --> 02:15:43,079
kind of garbage collection mechanism and

2908
02:15:48,169 --> 02:15:45,510
there needs to be some way to kind of

2909
02:15:50,989 --> 02:15:48,179
take past experiences so once we've got

2910
02:15:53,029 --> 02:15:50,999
a representation of that we can figure

2911
02:15:56,449 --> 02:15:53,039
out how to upload that into

2912
02:15:58,489 --> 02:15:56,459
consciousness but you know getting back

2913
02:16:00,349 --> 02:15:58,499
to science fiction there's that show

2914
02:16:02,779 --> 02:16:00,359
altered carbon right have you seen that

2915
02:16:04,819 --> 02:16:02,789
at the year I have you know they have

2916
02:16:06,949 --> 02:16:04,829
these stacks they call them these this

2917
02:16:09,619 --> 02:16:06,959
little thing that gets into your spine

2918
02:16:11,599 --> 02:16:09,629
and you can basically once you take that

2919
02:16:14,419 --> 02:16:11,609
out you can put it into another body

2920
02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:14,429
right so it's got everything about the

2921
02:16:18,830 --> 02:16:17,129
person in there and they call it you

2922
02:16:21,529 --> 02:16:18,840
know Reese leaving but getting into

2923
02:16:23,089 --> 02:16:21,539
another sleeve and then you think you're

2924
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:23,099
the same person and it's got all the

2925
02:16:27,169 --> 02:16:25,050
memories but also all the patterns of

2926
02:16:28,849 --> 02:16:27,179
how they act even in science fiction

2927
02:16:30,830 --> 02:16:28,859
they didn't know well how would that

2928
02:16:33,979 --> 02:16:30,840
work you say that well we got it from

2929
02:16:36,200 --> 02:16:33,989
aliens right so in the end these things

2930
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:36,210
come down to you know unexplainable

2931
02:16:43,339 --> 02:16:39,599
things or two aliens often but once we

2932
02:16:46,609 --> 02:16:43,349
figure that out we could then replicate

2933
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:46,619
that and give those memories to a

2934
02:16:52,129 --> 02:16:49,290
computer but right now you know we we

2935
02:16:53,479 --> 02:16:52,139
don't we can't efficiently represent all

2936
02:16:54,589 --> 02:16:53,489
of the memories and all of the

2937
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:54,599
connections some people think if you

2938
02:16:57,560 --> 02:16:55,679
just took all the

2939
02:16:58,669 --> 02:16:57,570
billions of neurons and the trillions of

2940
02:17:01,280 --> 02:16:58,679
connections and you just basically

2941
02:17:03,410 --> 02:17:01,290
modeled that inside a neural network

2942
02:17:06,230 --> 02:17:03,420
that that's all you need that that AI

2943
02:17:07,310 --> 02:17:06,240
would be just like the person I don't

2944
02:17:09,350 --> 02:17:07,320
think it's that simple

2945
02:17:11,810 --> 02:17:09,360
right that's why I still feel like we're

2946
02:17:13,250 --> 02:17:11,820
going there's new breakthroughs that

2947
02:17:14,990 --> 02:17:13,260
need to happen and I can't tell you what

2948
02:17:16,700 --> 02:17:15,000
those breakthroughs are if I did I could

2949
02:17:17,629 --> 02:17:16,710
go out and find a company to do those

2950
02:17:19,640 --> 02:17:17,639
breakthroughs right

2951
02:17:20,900 --> 02:17:19,650
but they will happen over time and

2952
02:17:23,060 --> 02:17:20,910
that's why I think we're a bit further

2953
02:17:24,530 --> 02:17:23,070
away from either artificial general

2954
02:17:26,570 --> 02:17:24,540
intelligence or certainly super

2955
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:26,580
intelligence than many people think now

2956
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:29,010
in we've we've made a lot of movie

2957
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:31,200
references tonight and I and I like that

2958
02:17:34,340 --> 02:17:33,450
aspect of this conversation and my

2959
02:17:36,500 --> 02:17:34,350
opening

2960
02:17:39,650 --> 02:17:36,510
rant tonight was about the movie Tron

2961
02:17:42,290 --> 02:17:39,660
and there are a couple of elements of

2962
02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:42,300
Tron and if you we really think about it

2963
02:17:48,860 --> 02:17:44,250
the timing of the movie which came out

2964
02:17:51,440 --> 02:17:48,870
in 82 or 83 its vision of the future was

2965
02:17:56,570 --> 02:17:51,450
strong there you know everything was

2966
02:18:00,410 --> 02:17:56,580
there but the part of it that I'm bummed

2967
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:00,420
out about is that I see it as an

2968
02:18:07,250 --> 02:18:04,160
impossibility that you can't actually

2969
02:18:10,640 --> 02:18:07,260
experience we can upload all day long

2970
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:10,650
but you are not there you are still

2971
02:18:19,129 --> 02:18:12,690
existing in your own body your only

2972
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:19,139
convert creating a new life right that's

2973
02:18:25,459 --> 02:18:23,010
it life is off its own experiences and

2974
02:18:27,590 --> 02:18:25,469
its own thing you are not sharing

2975
02:18:29,209 --> 02:18:27,600
consciousness you know you're not part

2976
02:18:32,510 --> 02:18:29,219
of it you're not inside of the computer

2977
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:32,520
you're still on the outside of the

2978
02:18:38,270 --> 02:18:35,130
computer right so it's like you're

2979
02:18:40,660 --> 02:18:38,280
forking the data set at that point right

2980
02:18:43,340 --> 02:18:40,670
it's a that's a copy of you but it's not

2981
02:18:45,860 --> 02:18:43,350
necessarily you well that's an

2982
02:18:47,959 --> 02:18:45,870
interesting question is it you or is it

2983
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:47,969
not so the way they dealt with this in

2984
02:18:52,010 --> 02:18:50,010
Altered carbon was there was a strict

2985
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:52,020
rule that you can't double sleeve right

2986
02:18:55,850 --> 02:18:54,210
you can't have the same information

2987
02:18:58,970 --> 02:18:55,860
because they didn't just have it in the

2988
02:19:00,890 --> 02:18:58,980
the device the way they did interstellar

2989
02:19:05,150 --> 02:19:00,900
travel was they beamed the information

2990
02:19:07,129 --> 02:19:05,160
about you into the cortical stack on the

2991
02:19:09,560 --> 02:19:07,139
other planet and then you went into

2992
02:19:12,260 --> 02:19:09,570
another body and then suddenly you were

2993
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:12,270
but they also didn't allow you to still

2994
02:19:16,700 --> 02:19:14,880
be in the old body so when you took the

2995
02:19:19,430 --> 02:19:16,710
stack out they would have to die but

2996
02:19:22,010 --> 02:19:19,440
that was a political solution right that

2997
02:19:23,720 --> 02:19:22,020
wasn't a technical solution because it

2998
02:19:25,340 --> 02:19:23,730
turns out you could in that in that

2999
02:19:28,100 --> 02:19:25,350
scenario you could have two versions of

3000
02:19:30,110 --> 02:19:28,110
you that diverged at that point in time

3001
02:19:32,300 --> 02:19:30,120
kind of like a backup right it's when

3002
02:19:35,620 --> 02:19:32,310
the backup is made but you don't have

3003
02:19:37,550 --> 02:19:35,630
you don't have two minds in one mind

3004
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:37,560
happening at the same time you're not

3005
02:19:43,460 --> 02:19:40,530
controlling the other body from one body

3006
02:19:44,930 --> 02:19:43,470
the two bodies are independent like I

3007
02:19:48,461 --> 02:19:44,940
said in the beginning of the show right

3008
02:19:52,011 --> 02:19:48,471
if you teleport you you you sent data

3009
02:19:55,011 --> 02:19:52,021
from yourself to Mars and you teleported

3010
02:19:58,190 --> 02:19:55,021
to Mars that doesn't mean you are on

3011
02:20:01,430 --> 02:19:58,200
Mars there's just a different version of

3012
02:20:05,150 --> 02:20:01,440
you on Mars not experiencing Mars you're

3013
02:20:06,650 --> 02:20:05,160
not smelling Mars well it depends you

3014
02:20:09,320 --> 02:20:06,660
know that's one way to think about it is

3015
02:20:12,711 --> 02:20:09,330
that it is a a copy of you right just

3016
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:12,721
like twins right identical twins that

3017
02:20:15,890 --> 02:20:14,130
came from the same cells but then they

3018
02:20:17,211 --> 02:20:15,900
have different experiences so then they

3019
02:20:18,801 --> 02:20:17,221
go on to have different personalities

3020
02:20:20,961 --> 02:20:18,811
but they started at the same place so

3021
02:20:22,761 --> 02:20:20,971
it's kind of like breaking off a digital

3022
02:20:25,070 --> 02:20:22,771
twin of you and that's a you know a term

3023
02:20:27,320 --> 02:20:25,080
that's used a lot in this world is

3024
02:20:28,850 --> 02:20:27,330
digital immortality all right a simple

3025
02:20:30,950 --> 02:20:28,860
example of that is you know after

3026
02:20:33,110 --> 02:20:30,960
someone dies you have all their social

3027
02:20:35,060 --> 02:20:33,120
media their posts and it keeps posting

3028
02:20:37,330 --> 02:20:35,070
all right that's kind of a primitive

3029
02:20:41,330 --> 02:20:37,340
version of that you're getting into a

3030
02:20:43,730 --> 02:20:41,340
much deeper question but it depends

3031
02:20:46,131 --> 02:20:43,740
because if we're talking about AI and

3032
02:20:48,650 --> 02:20:46,141
we're talking about code who's to say

3033
02:20:49,850 --> 02:20:48,660
that code can't be synchronized right

3034
02:20:51,860 --> 02:20:49,860
there's something in computer science we

3035
02:20:54,110 --> 02:20:51,870
call it replication and it turns out

3036
02:20:56,301 --> 02:20:54,120
most many people use Dropbox right you

3037
02:20:59,091 --> 02:20:56,311
probably use Dropbox right and so I've

3038
02:21:01,580 --> 02:20:59,101
got a Dropbox account on this laptop and

3039
02:21:04,280 --> 02:21:01,590
my other laptop and every time I make a

3040
02:21:06,171 --> 02:21:04,290
change it gets synced all right and so

3041
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:06,181
the idea with their application is

3042
02:21:09,801 --> 02:21:07,200
you're trying to keep these two

3043
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:09,811
different pieces of information synced

3044
02:21:15,051 --> 02:21:11,760
and you're trying to do it as real time

3045
02:21:16,131 --> 02:21:15,061
as possible all right and so going back

3046
02:21:17,390 --> 02:21:16,141
to science fiction because that's

3047
02:21:19,011 --> 02:21:17,400
sometimes the easiest way to talk about

3048
02:21:20,860 --> 02:21:19,021
this stuff if you if you link back to

3049
02:21:22,330 --> 02:21:20,870
dune right

3050
02:21:27,480 --> 02:21:22,340
remember dude there's a new movie coming

3051
02:21:29,740 --> 02:21:27,490
out but there isn't one I cannot wait

3052
02:21:34,030 --> 02:21:29,750
looking forward to it but if you read

3053
02:21:35,740 --> 02:21:34,040
kind of the prequel series that Frank

3054
02:21:37,960 --> 02:21:35,750
Herbert his son Frank Herbert's son

3055
02:21:40,301 --> 02:21:37,970
Brian Herbert right of an Anderson wrote

3056
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:40,311
the you know they had a big they had a

3057
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:42,080
case where the the machines enslaved

3058
02:21:46,180 --> 02:21:44,000
humanity and then they had this thing

3059
02:21:48,160 --> 02:21:46,190
called a balerion jihad and they rose up

3060
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:48,170
and then they had these rules that said

3061
02:21:52,570 --> 02:21:50,930
thou shalt not create a computer in the

3062
02:21:54,761 --> 02:21:52,580
image of a human brain right that was

3063
02:21:56,350 --> 02:21:54,771
the religion because they saw what would

3064
02:21:58,810 --> 02:21:56,360
happen if they were enslaved by the

3065
02:22:01,540 --> 02:21:58,820
machine but if you look at the machine

3066
02:22:03,850 --> 02:22:01,550
that enslaved the humanity it was called

3067
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:03,860
omnious I think if memory serves me

3068
02:22:08,801 --> 02:22:06,800
correctly and there were multiple copies

3069
02:22:11,801 --> 02:22:08,811
of omnious and it would constantly

3070
02:22:14,860 --> 02:22:11,811
synchronize and there was one robot that

3071
02:22:17,290 --> 02:22:14,870
was a separate self-contained robot so

3072
02:22:19,330 --> 02:22:17,300
it was not syncing to the rest of

3073
02:22:21,970 --> 02:22:19,340
omnious but all the other versions of it

3074
02:22:23,801 --> 02:22:21,980
were syncing and so it's possible that

3075
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:23,811
you might have multiple versions of an

3076
02:22:29,410 --> 02:22:27,290
AI that on the one hand you might say

3077
02:22:32,320 --> 02:22:29,420
well they're they're not the same but if

3078
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:32,330
they're sinking very often then it's

3079
02:22:37,511 --> 02:22:34,610
almost as if it is the same and it's

3080
02:22:39,730 --> 02:22:37,521
having both experiences and you know

3081
02:22:42,700 --> 02:22:39,740
maybe there's no limit like we think of

3082
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:42,710
CPUs as having one instruction at a time

3083
02:22:47,740 --> 02:22:44,960
and that's all I can do and even in our

3084
02:22:50,020 --> 02:22:47,750
laptop when I have multiple windows open

3085
02:22:52,030 --> 02:22:50,030
you know the CPU and its course still

3086
02:22:53,730 --> 02:22:52,040
only doing one little instruction at a

3087
02:22:56,380 --> 02:22:53,740
time it's just what they call

3088
02:22:58,240 --> 02:22:56,390
multitasking right which is it's

3089
02:22:59,560 --> 02:22:58,250
starting one and then it goes and does

3090
02:23:01,511 --> 02:22:59,570
an instruction in the other window and

3091
02:23:03,160 --> 02:23:01,521
then it comes back to my window and

3092
02:23:05,380 --> 02:23:03,170
that's kind of how multitasking works

3093
02:23:08,860 --> 02:23:05,390
right but now that we're starting to

3094
02:23:10,330 --> 02:23:08,870
have clusters of GPUs and CPUs you get

3095
02:23:12,130 --> 02:23:10,340
this idea that you can have multiple

3096
02:23:14,680 --> 02:23:12,140
things happening at the exact same time

3097
02:23:17,440 --> 02:23:14,690
so there's no reason you couldn't have

3098
02:23:20,110 --> 02:23:17,450
AI that has multiple copies of itself

3099
02:23:21,910 --> 02:23:20,120
but that are constantly in sync there

3100
02:23:23,500 --> 02:23:21,920
may be a limit to how fast that can be

3101
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:23,510
done and you know it's kind of like

3102
02:23:28,360 --> 02:23:26,240
somebody mentioned Second Life earlier I

3103
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:28,370
think you know on Twitter like I

3104
02:23:31,960 --> 02:23:29,840
remember sometimes in Second Life I I

3105
02:23:33,439 --> 02:23:31,970
had two avatars and I would just want to

3106
02:23:35,179 --> 02:23:33,449
see what it was like

3107
02:23:37,249 --> 02:23:35,189
to avatars and there's people who

3108
02:23:38,779 --> 02:23:37,259
believe in the spiritual world that that

3109
02:23:41,420 --> 02:23:38,789
happens sometimes where a soul might

3110
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:41,430
divide and be in two separate bodies but

3111
02:23:45,199 --> 02:23:42,810
there's actually still a part that's

3112
02:23:47,779 --> 02:23:45,209
outside of it so it's possible you could

3113
02:23:50,590 --> 02:23:47,789
have multiple copies and have it all be

3114
02:23:53,389 --> 02:23:50,600
the same the same person or the same a I

3115
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:53,399
although that might not be you the

3116
02:23:57,469 --> 02:23:55,439
biological one each of them could be

3117
02:23:59,269 --> 02:23:57,479
connected with each other and in a

3118
02:24:01,999 --> 02:23:59,279
network if you will and the network is

3119
02:24:04,249 --> 02:24:02,009
the AI in that case well we've got we

3120
02:24:06,199 --> 02:24:04,259
okay we've got literally three minutes

3121
02:24:09,889 --> 02:24:06,209
left essentially cutting me off do you

3122
02:24:12,559 --> 02:24:09,899
want to do overtime tonight okay okay so

3123
02:24:16,099 --> 02:24:12,569
then one last question that's that's my

3124
02:24:21,249 --> 02:24:16,109
last softball pitch is is is this or is

3125
02:24:25,369 --> 02:24:21,259
a couple of months ago Elon Musk said

3126
02:24:30,679 --> 02:24:25,379
that neural link was ready and it was a

3127
02:24:33,170 --> 02:24:30,689
few months away from the big reveal now

3128
02:24:38,979 --> 02:24:33,180
those three or four months of sense

3129
02:24:41,719 --> 02:24:38,989
passed right but he I think it's ready

3130
02:24:45,739 --> 02:24:41,729
well if you listen closely to what he

3131
02:24:49,489 --> 02:24:45,749
said you know was he's talking about V 1

3132
02:24:52,999 --> 02:24:49,499
and V 1 was meant for people that might

3133
02:24:55,789 --> 02:24:53,009
have a you know a brain dysfunction and

3134
02:24:57,590 --> 02:24:55,799
so you know he's an entrepreneur he's

3135
02:24:59,929 --> 02:24:57,600
gonna play it up in many ways right

3136
02:25:02,420 --> 02:24:59,939
right because he wants this company to

3137
02:25:04,340 --> 02:25:02,430
be successful but you know I think it

3138
02:25:06,499 --> 02:25:04,350
was that the Rogan podcast yes it was on

3139
02:25:09,050 --> 02:25:06,509
the Rogan podcast so I there's my

3140
02:25:12,319 --> 02:25:09,060
confession I listen to Rogan but this is

3141
02:25:17,149 --> 02:25:12,329
but this is my question no link comes

3142
02:25:20,769 --> 02:25:17,159
out do you do it you understand the

3143
02:25:23,929 --> 02:25:20,779
technology yeah do you do you link up I

3144
02:25:26,599 --> 02:25:23,939
don't I wouldn't link up right away like

3145
02:25:28,699 --> 02:25:26,609
I would wait a long time and the reason

3146
02:25:32,359 --> 02:25:28,709
is I write software so I know software

3147
02:25:34,309 --> 02:25:32,369
breaks right and so you know it's like

3148
02:25:36,920 --> 02:25:34,319
being a beta tester you know being a

3149
02:25:40,159 --> 02:25:36,930
beta tester on a game breaks down no big

3150
02:25:42,709 --> 02:25:40,169
deal right beta tester of technology

3151
02:25:44,179 --> 02:25:42,719
that's sitting in your head you know

3152
02:25:47,980 --> 02:25:44,189
that's sitting inside your brain with a

3153
02:25:51,740 --> 02:25:47,990
little drill I wouldn't do it until over

3154
02:25:53,960 --> 02:25:51,750
or later possibly right because by then

3155
02:25:56,960 --> 02:25:53,970
they would have worked out the kinks and

3156
02:25:59,000 --> 02:25:56,970
you also have to see I mean we're in the

3157
02:26:04,430 --> 02:25:59,010
early days of brain computer interface

3158
02:26:06,350 --> 02:26:04,440
PCI and I think that's you know a really

3159
02:26:08,421 --> 02:26:06,360
interesting area moving forward and

3160
02:26:10,341 --> 02:26:08,431
there are different ways of doing that

3161
02:26:13,640 --> 02:26:10,351
you can just try to sense the electrical

3162
02:26:15,860 --> 02:26:13,650
signals without be having an invasive

3163
02:26:18,110 --> 02:26:15,870
version I know I think you've had Adam

3164
02:26:20,810 --> 02:26:18,120
curry on your show before yeah yep yep

3165
02:26:23,330 --> 02:26:20,820
yep and adam has a company called

3166
02:26:25,100 --> 02:26:23,340
entangled where they're trying to use

3167
02:26:27,350 --> 02:26:25,110
these quantum random number generators

3168
02:26:29,570 --> 02:26:27,360
to detect your thoughts and they say

3169
02:26:31,100 --> 02:26:29,580
that you know should be 50/50 but when

3170
02:26:32,990 --> 02:26:31,110
you're thinking certain thoughts the

3171
02:26:35,450 --> 02:26:33,000
random number generators are not 5050

3172
02:26:37,070 --> 02:26:35,460
and so there's a non-invasive way of

3173
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:37,080
trying to figure out what you're

3174
02:26:43,250 --> 02:26:39,840
thinking and and and kind of reading

3175
02:26:45,860 --> 02:26:43,260
your mind but you know personally I

3176
02:26:47,540 --> 02:26:45,870
think with a more invasive way I think

3177
02:26:49,460 --> 02:26:47,550
we have to be careful where we just

3178
02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:49,470
don't understand consciousness or the

3179
02:26:53,631 --> 02:26:52,050
brain that well so well you know there's

3180
02:26:56,150 --> 02:26:53,641
very it's very likely that there's gonna

3181
02:26:58,190 --> 02:26:56,160
be problems right kind of like remember

3182
02:27:01,730 --> 02:26:58,200
the the first artificial heart in this

3183
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:01,740
in 1984 or whenever it was that the

3184
02:27:05,660 --> 02:27:04,050
Jarvik 7 I think it was called right it

3185
02:27:07,850 --> 02:27:05,670
didn't quite work out now a hundred

3186
02:27:10,881 --> 02:27:07,860
years from now you know we may have lots

3187
02:27:12,410 --> 02:27:10,891
of artificial organs right but yeah I

3188
02:27:15,080 --> 02:27:12,420
don't think I'd want to be you know one

3189
02:27:17,570 --> 02:27:15,090
of those first people unless you know

3190
02:27:20,421 --> 02:27:17,580
there was no alternative yeah well I've

3191
02:27:24,020 --> 02:27:20,431
got 30 seconds left I'm not gonna get

3192
02:27:28,330 --> 02:27:24,030
into your personal issues but if there

3193
02:27:30,830 --> 02:27:28,340
was an opportunity for a stem-cell heart

3194
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:30,840
right and somebody said hey hey rizz

3195
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:35,130
it's it's it's it was it was grown from

3196
02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:41,610
you for you you need it that's that is

3197
02:27:47,240 --> 02:27:44,730
is that something that you do well yeah

3198
02:27:49,160 --> 02:27:47,250
I think if it's based on my stem cells

3199
02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:49,170
right then it's not that different than

3200
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:52,170
what the body did when it converted

3201
02:27:56,841 --> 02:27:54,210
those stem cells to the cells that make

3202
02:27:59,540 --> 02:27:56,851
a part or the brain right we just have

3203
02:28:01,219 --> 02:27:59,550
to learn how to get the stem cells to do

3204
02:28:03,319 --> 02:28:01,229
certain things so as I

3205
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:03,329
said we are biological machines well

3206
02:28:09,800 --> 02:28:06,090
what about somebody else's heart perfect

3207
02:28:13,160 --> 02:28:09,810
match I don't know if that's you know

3208
02:28:15,319 --> 02:28:13,170
it's Swedish well if it feels weird to

3209
02:28:16,670 --> 02:28:15,329
me because you're getting this you're

3210
02:28:19,399 --> 02:28:16,680
getting their sold

3211
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:19,409
yeah you're getting their soul suddenly

3212
02:28:22,639 --> 02:28:21,210
you know you wake up in the morning

3213
02:28:25,779 --> 02:28:22,649
you're like man I've never played tennis

3214
02:28:28,450 --> 02:28:25,789
before but I'm ready to get you know

3215
02:28:30,620 --> 02:28:28,460
there was a Korean movie called eyes

3216
02:28:32,359 --> 02:28:30,630
about that where she got eyes

3217
02:28:36,170 --> 02:28:32,369
transplanted and that you started to see

3218
02:28:39,439 --> 02:28:36,180
stuff that the previous owner had seen

3219
02:28:43,790 --> 02:28:39,449
right all right we don't fully even

3220
02:28:46,279 --> 02:28:43,800
understand memory so you know we is it

3221
02:28:48,979 --> 02:28:46,289
purely biological or are there other

3222
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:48,989
elements to memories it also you know

3223
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:50,640
not stored in one place is it

3224
02:28:55,639 --> 02:28:53,010
distributed throughout the cells of the

3225
02:28:57,200 --> 02:28:55,649
body and so you know that there could be

3226
02:28:58,670 --> 02:28:57,210
possibilities of that I guess for me it

3227
02:29:01,219 --> 02:28:58,680
just depends on how dire is the

3228
02:29:03,229 --> 02:29:01,229
situation personally right because if

3229
02:29:05,269 --> 02:29:03,239
he's away then that's one thing right

3230
02:29:07,429 --> 02:29:05,279
then either you're gonna move on and die

3231
02:29:08,300 --> 02:29:07,439
or you're gonna get this thing it might

3232
02:29:11,179 --> 02:29:08,310
be worth a shot

3233
02:29:13,250 --> 02:29:11,189
but if it's you know you've got other

3234
02:29:15,319 --> 02:29:13,260
alternatives then I don't think that I

3235
02:29:17,599 --> 02:29:15,329
would necessarily do that right away

3236
02:29:19,939 --> 02:29:17,609
well these deep philosophical issues I

3237
02:29:22,809 --> 02:29:19,949
think come into play with things like

3238
02:29:26,269 --> 02:29:22,819
neural link or some type of a you know

3239
02:29:28,929 --> 02:29:26,279
brain computer interface which DARPA is

3240
02:29:32,300 --> 02:29:28,939
heavily funded on right now I mean that

3241
02:29:35,929 --> 02:29:32,310
Google the this is a big focus for

3242
02:29:39,319 --> 02:29:35,939
everybody to get this done and and get

3243
02:29:42,559 --> 02:29:39,329
the the software the communication

3244
02:29:44,420 --> 02:29:42,569
between us and in the computer and and

3245
02:29:48,050 --> 02:29:44,430
and give getting that up and running but

3246
02:29:50,510 --> 02:29:48,060
it's the same a philosophical issue that

3247
02:29:52,460 --> 02:29:50,520
we're dealing with here you know do you

3248
02:29:55,069 --> 02:29:52,470
do you accept somebody else's heart an

3249
02:29:58,760 --> 02:29:55,079
artificial heart a stem cell heart or

3250
02:30:00,769 --> 02:29:58,770
brain or a lung or whatever and it's the

3251
02:30:03,500 --> 02:30:00,779
same thing with neural link where now

3252
02:30:06,849 --> 02:30:03,510
you're interfacing with a computer that

3253
02:30:09,950 --> 02:30:06,859
the software comes from somebody else

3254
02:30:12,500 --> 02:30:09,960
right well in neural link and others

3255
02:30:14,380 --> 02:30:12,510
you're getting a silicon device right

3256
02:30:17,380 --> 02:30:14,390
that's being put into

3257
02:30:19,960 --> 02:30:17,390
a biological entity and you know I think

3258
02:30:22,149 --> 02:30:19,970
that's a harder thing longer-term but if

3259
02:30:24,910 --> 02:30:22,159
it's for a specific like if I had

3260
02:30:27,280 --> 02:30:24,920
Alzheimers or a specific neurological

3261
02:30:29,710 --> 02:30:27,290
disorder certainly I would consider

3262
02:30:32,500 --> 02:30:29,720
right that just like I might consider

3263
02:30:35,530 --> 02:30:32,510
you know getting in a metal hip right if

3264
02:30:37,599 --> 02:30:35,540
something didn't work out and I needed

3265
02:30:40,479 --> 02:30:37,609
it for that reason and that's I think

3266
02:30:42,639 --> 02:30:40,489
we're neuro-link we'll find you know

3267
02:30:46,899 --> 02:30:42,649
we'll find some success initially is in

3268
02:30:52,330 --> 02:30:46,909
figuring out how it can use electrical

3269
02:30:55,330 --> 02:30:52,340
signals into the brain to then you know

3270
02:30:56,439 --> 02:30:55,340
improve a specific condition you know

3271
02:30:58,780 --> 02:30:56,449
what I might consider is something

3272
02:30:59,740 --> 02:30:58,790
that's a little less invasive like for

3273
02:31:01,360 --> 02:30:59,750
example

3274
02:31:04,809 --> 02:31:01,370
speaking of sci-fi do you ever see the

3275
02:31:06,700 --> 02:31:04,819
series travelers no longer right and

3276
02:31:08,590 --> 02:31:06,710
they came from the future okay time

3277
02:31:09,939 --> 02:31:08,600
travel would you know is a different

3278
02:31:12,130 --> 02:31:09,949
thing but they had a little speaker

3279
02:31:15,130 --> 02:31:12,140
right that was right underneath the year

3280
02:31:17,469 --> 02:31:15,140
I mean to me it's annoying to like have

3281
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:17,479
different have my bluetooth connect to

3282
02:31:22,030 --> 02:31:19,130
my computer than to my phone and my iPad

3283
02:31:24,040 --> 02:31:22,040
and my other laptop I mean they're all

3284
02:31:25,330 --> 02:31:24,050
using the same thing its speakers right

3285
02:31:27,219 --> 02:31:25,340
so and then I have to put on these

3286
02:31:28,630 --> 02:31:27,229
headphones when I'm talking to you like

3287
02:31:30,639 --> 02:31:28,640
if I was able to have something that I

3288
02:31:32,320 --> 02:31:30,649
could just press on and turn it on or

3289
02:31:33,820 --> 02:31:32,330
off it uses bluetooth and it wasn't too

3290
02:31:36,040 --> 02:31:33,830
far in so that it's really easy to take

3291
02:31:38,349 --> 02:31:36,050
it out if you need to upgrade it with

3292
02:31:39,880 --> 02:31:38,359
just a little you know incision then the

3293
02:31:42,250 --> 02:31:39,890
doubt I would consider I don't think I'd

3294
02:31:44,860 --> 02:31:42,260
want to get a hole drilled in my head

3295
02:31:46,769 --> 02:31:44,870
right away mostly because I'd say wait

3296
02:31:54,809 --> 02:31:46,779
till version 10 that I might consider it

3297
02:31:58,200 --> 02:31:54,819
the I think the goal for Elon is to

3298
02:32:01,090 --> 02:31:58,210
access the internet through your mind I

3299
02:32:03,580 --> 02:32:01,100
think that I think that's a good yeah

3300
02:32:06,309 --> 02:32:03,590
that's good oh yeah I mean this goal is

3301
02:32:09,250 --> 02:32:06,319
to basically augment the human mind with

3302
02:32:11,410 --> 02:32:09,260
AI by accessing information that's out

3303
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:11,420
there and this leads to all kinds of

3304
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:12,890
interesting discussions will you be able

3305
02:32:18,160 --> 02:32:16,010
to use it to download information you

3306
02:32:19,719 --> 02:32:18,170
know and learn things right it's kind of

3307
02:32:22,260 --> 02:32:19,729
like in the matrix where you guys ooh I

3308
02:32:26,230 --> 02:32:25,149
we'll see that's it that's a great point

3309
02:32:30,881 --> 02:32:26,240
can all he

3310
02:32:32,980 --> 02:32:30,891
humans passed the Turing test right what

3311
02:32:40,060 --> 02:32:32,990
is you head right what have you had two

3312
02:32:41,740 --> 02:32:40,070
humans behind the the doors right it's a

3313
02:32:45,011 --> 02:32:41,750
good question well I guess it would

3314
02:32:47,171 --> 02:32:45,021
depend on language right like if if

3315
02:32:49,810 --> 02:32:47,181
somebody was speaking not their first

3316
02:32:53,051 --> 02:32:49,820
language then it would be harder to it

3317
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:53,061
would be easier to figure out right so

3318
02:32:57,040 --> 02:32:55,130
so yeah that you're right maybe maybe

3319
02:33:00,640 --> 02:32:57,050
not you know you might think one of

3320
02:33:04,120 --> 02:33:00,650
those humans is a computer right

3321
02:33:07,360 --> 02:33:04,130
Riz thank you so much my friend and your

3322
02:33:08,921 --> 02:33:07,370
new book startup myths and models we

3323
02:33:13,841 --> 02:33:08,931
have a large audience here and if

3324
02:33:15,551 --> 02:33:13,851
somebody when when you speak about this

3325
02:33:19,360 --> 02:33:15,561
book everybody wants to start a company

3326
02:33:21,850 --> 02:33:19,370
right and and what is behind it and

3327
02:33:25,570 --> 02:33:21,860
especially in in today's climate with

3328
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:25,580
the dynamics that that are in play here

3329
02:33:32,110 --> 02:33:30,170
who is who is this book written for sure

3330
02:33:34,150 --> 02:33:32,120
yeah so this book is written for anyone

3331
02:33:36,190 --> 02:33:34,160
who's thinking of starting a company or

3332
02:33:38,560 --> 02:33:36,200
anybody who has started a company or

3333
02:33:41,140 --> 02:33:38,570
who's involved in a start-up you know as

3334
02:33:43,330 --> 02:33:41,150
an early employee or as an investor and

3335
02:33:45,490 --> 02:33:43,340
the idea the subtitle is what they don't

3336
02:33:46,961 --> 02:33:45,500
teach you in business school and you

3337
02:33:49,480 --> 02:33:46,971
know I'm of a belief that a lot of

3338
02:33:52,450 --> 02:33:49,490
success comes through intuition and

3339
02:33:54,461 --> 02:33:52,460
following the clues and that it's a

3340
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:54,471
journey and so this book is about what

3341
02:33:58,150 --> 02:33:56,210
that journey is really like and it's

3342
02:34:00,220 --> 02:33:58,160
framed as like the hero's journey where

3343
02:34:01,930 --> 02:34:00,230
you have different stages creating the

3344
02:34:03,850 --> 02:34:01,940
call to adventure and finding the

3345
02:34:05,890 --> 02:34:03,860
treasure at the end so you know it's

3346
02:34:07,720 --> 02:34:05,900
probably a bit outside of what we

3347
02:34:09,970 --> 02:34:07,730
normally talk about and then fade to

3348
02:34:11,290 --> 02:34:09,980
black but if anybody is interested in

3349
02:34:13,030 --> 02:34:11,300
entrepreneurship and I definitely

3350
02:34:14,950 --> 02:34:13,040
recommend they check it out they can go

3351
02:34:17,410 --> 02:34:14,960
to my website as an entrepreneur comm

3352
02:34:19,330 --> 02:34:17,420
and download chapters of that as well as

3353
02:34:24,100 --> 02:34:19,340
of the simulation hypothesis there for

3354
02:34:26,140 --> 02:34:24,110
free now have you found that and we I

3355
02:34:29,320 --> 02:34:26,150
spoke about this earlier band the whole

3356
02:34:31,450 --> 02:34:29,330
atheist component of Technology and

3357
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:31,460
science and and physicists and quantum

3358
02:34:38,680 --> 02:34:36,170
physics that you especially in in

3359
02:34:39,429 --> 02:34:38,690
treasure hunt by the way where you are

3360
02:34:42,449 --> 02:34:39,439
absolute

3361
02:34:45,670 --> 02:34:42,459
please end out man you are talking about

3362
02:34:48,250 --> 02:34:45,680
if figuring out the little clues of your

3363
02:34:52,479 --> 02:34:48,260
day that are guiding your life that can

3364
02:34:53,949 --> 02:34:52,489
help you on your journey to success and

3365
02:34:56,319 --> 02:34:53,959
it's the name of the book treasure hunt

3366
02:34:58,750 --> 02:34:56,329
and you do this also and start in

3367
02:35:01,809 --> 02:34:58,760
startup myths and models does that go

3368
02:35:05,019 --> 02:35:01,819
against the grain of Silicon Valley and

3369
02:35:07,689 --> 02:35:05,029
venture capital where you know going

3370
02:35:11,199 --> 02:35:07,699
into the Zen spiritual aspect of being

3371
02:35:13,359 --> 02:35:11,209
successful that's that's it's it's more

3372
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:13,369
of a pragmatic black-and-white world out

3373
02:35:19,059 --> 02:35:16,640
there isn't it well it is but it's also

3374
02:35:22,080 --> 02:35:19,069
you know I think there's a recognition

3375
02:35:25,300 --> 02:35:22,090
that it's as much of an art as a science

3376
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:25,310
well Steve Jobs would definitely go

3377
02:35:29,739 --> 02:35:27,439
against the grain and look at well look

3378
02:35:31,630 --> 02:35:29,749
at what he did right but he's not the

3379
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:31,640
only one you know Salesforce coms

3380
02:35:35,590 --> 02:35:33,680
founder Marc Benioff I think is is

3381
02:35:37,719 --> 02:35:35,600
really into Zen meditation and so I

3382
02:35:39,309 --> 02:35:37,729
think there's a recognition like the

3383
02:35:41,109 --> 02:35:39,319
subtitle of this book was you know what

3384
02:35:43,179 --> 02:35:41,119
they don't teach you in Business School

3385
02:35:43,929 --> 02:35:43,189
and originally I was gonna call it what

3386
02:35:45,189 --> 02:35:43,939
they don't teach you at Stanford

3387
02:35:46,870 --> 02:35:45,199
Business School because that's where I

3388
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:46,880
went to business school but it was

3389
02:35:50,080 --> 02:35:48,319
published by Columbia so they took it

3390
02:35:52,599 --> 02:35:50,090
out but in Business School they try to

3391
02:35:54,760 --> 02:35:52,609
teach you okay this is how you do X Y or

3392
02:35:57,160 --> 02:35:54,770
Z one two three and you build these long

3393
02:35:58,120 --> 02:35:57,170
spreadsheets and when I'm remember

3394
02:35:59,410 --> 02:35:58,130
raising my head and said well what if

3395
02:36:01,120 --> 02:35:59,420
you just change the input and laughed

3396
02:36:03,279 --> 02:36:01,130
because well then all the numbers on the

3397
02:36:05,199 --> 02:36:03,289
right change so all the decisions change

3398
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:05,209
and so well how do you know what numbers

3399
02:36:09,580 --> 02:36:06,409
to plug in and I said well that's where

3400
02:36:11,889 --> 02:36:09,590
you got to use your gut right so it gets

3401
02:36:14,260 --> 02:36:11,899
back to following your gut and your

3402
02:36:17,439 --> 02:36:14,270
intuition I mean many venture

3403
02:36:19,239 --> 02:36:17,449
capitalists you know 90% of the

3404
02:36:21,699 --> 02:36:19,249
companies fail but the ones that make it

3405
02:36:23,559 --> 02:36:21,709
make it big and you know they don't know

3406
02:36:26,319 --> 02:36:23,569
up front which it's going to be and what

3407
02:36:28,179 --> 02:36:26,329
makes a good VC versus not Austin comes

3408
02:36:29,739 --> 02:36:28,189
down to intuition so I think there's a

3409
02:36:32,859 --> 02:36:29,749
recognition that intuition is an

3410
02:36:35,290 --> 02:36:32,869
important part of success but you know

3411
02:36:37,090 --> 02:36:35,300
whether they buy into where these clues

3412
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:37,100
coming from are they messages from the

3413
02:36:41,349 --> 02:36:39,050
future are they messages from spirit

3414
02:36:43,269 --> 02:36:41,359
guides outside the physical world that

3415
02:36:46,029 --> 02:36:43,279
stuff is not talked about but I think

3416
02:36:49,479 --> 02:36:46,039
the knowledge that that there's a strong

3417
02:36:51,399 --> 02:36:49,489
intuitional component is is important

3418
02:36:52,750 --> 02:36:51,409
that's why you might invest in one

3419
02:36:55,150 --> 02:36:52,760
entrepreneur versus another

3420
02:36:56,769 --> 02:36:55,160
why somebody's called to do one thing

3421
02:37:00,070 --> 02:36:56,779
versus another well as a venture

3422
02:37:01,900 --> 02:37:00,080
capitalist and which you are and you're

3423
02:37:03,790 --> 02:37:01,910
an angel investor but if somebody is

3424
02:37:06,790 --> 02:37:03,800
sitting down in front of you rizz or

3425
02:37:09,130 --> 02:37:06,800
they're at some crazy Sycamore or

3426
02:37:10,540 --> 02:37:09,140
venture capital and I just made that up

3427
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:10,550
but it sounded real

3428
02:37:14,710 --> 02:37:13,040
is there a sycamore venture capital but

3429
02:37:18,580 --> 02:37:14,720
anyways let's do is look on Sequoia

3430
02:37:20,280 --> 02:37:18,590
that's for ya okay okay and and I go in

3431
02:37:25,150 --> 02:37:20,290
and I sit down in front of this

3432
02:37:27,940 --> 02:37:25,160
billionaire and I and he goes so up do

3433
02:37:29,889 --> 02:37:27,950
you have let me see your paperwork

3434
02:37:32,530 --> 02:37:29,899
what's your business model well you know

3435
02:37:35,710 --> 02:37:32,540
when I'm going off my god I had a dream

3436
02:37:39,429 --> 02:37:35,720
and in the drink you know yeah that's

3437
02:37:41,650 --> 02:37:39,439
not gonna sell is it or is it well not

3438
02:37:42,820 --> 02:37:41,660
by itself right but this is why you need

3439
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:42,830
to bring the left brain and the right

3440
02:37:47,469 --> 02:37:45,770
brain together right which is usually

3441
02:37:50,650 --> 02:37:47,479
the idea might come to you in a dream so

3442
02:37:53,349 --> 02:37:50,660
the the site monster.com which is really

3443
02:37:54,849 --> 02:37:53,359
well known job site it came to this guy

3444
02:37:56,590 --> 02:37:54,859
Jeff Taylor in the middle of the night

3445
02:37:58,690 --> 02:37:56,600
he woke up and had a vision of a website

3446
02:38:01,929 --> 02:37:58,700
for jobseekers and he drew it all out

3447
02:38:04,540 --> 02:38:01,939
and then he went and found it so it's

3448
02:38:06,490 --> 02:38:04,550
okay if the idea comes that way but then

3449
02:38:08,559 --> 02:38:06,500
you have to you know actually show the

3450
02:38:09,790 --> 02:38:08,569
specification for the product in the

3451
02:38:12,190 --> 02:38:09,800
business model so you have to do both

3452
02:38:14,050 --> 02:38:12,200
right you have to translate that into

3453
02:38:16,570 --> 02:38:14,060
the language of business I think to be

3454
02:38:18,070 --> 02:38:16,580
successful you can't be talking so much

3455
02:38:20,349 --> 02:38:18,080
about dreams and venture capital

3456
02:38:22,840 --> 02:38:20,359
meetings but you can say you know I had

3457
02:38:25,389 --> 02:38:22,850
this idea my gut was telling me this and

3458
02:38:27,370 --> 02:38:25,399
then I tried it and and I found in 50%

3459
02:38:29,230 --> 02:38:27,380
of the cases or 80% of the cases that

3460
02:38:31,210 --> 02:38:29,240
this was true right so this you

3461
02:38:33,240 --> 02:38:31,220
translated into something that's a

3462
02:38:37,599 --> 02:38:33,250
little more interpretable in that world

3463
02:38:40,599 --> 02:38:37,609
thank you so much and obviously we went

3464
02:38:43,480 --> 02:38:40,609
over tonight and I didn't mean for that

3465
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:43,490
Riz it wasn't intentional we were just

3466
02:38:49,000 --> 02:38:45,920
in the middle of all of this so thank

3467
02:38:50,830 --> 02:38:49,010
you so much the new book is startup

3468
02:38:53,170 --> 02:38:50,840
myths and models and you can just go to

3469
02:38:55,389 --> 02:38:53,180
rize's websites the links are over at

3470
02:38:57,639 --> 02:38:55,399
Jimmy Church radio.com and you can

3471
02:39:00,160 --> 02:38:57,649
certainly follow r is at risk Stanford

3472
02:39:01,870 --> 02:39:00,170
right here on Twitter he's hanging out

3473
02:39:03,030 --> 02:39:01,880
in Twitter so all of those tweets you

3474
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:03,040
guys are doing right now

3475
02:39:08,730 --> 02:39:05,530
do you think Riza's Riza's reading them

3476
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:08,740
all rizz thank you so much my friend be

3477
02:39:13,470 --> 02:39:11,050
safe and be well and I hope the family

3478
02:39:17,310 --> 02:39:13,480
is good and and you guys are getting

3479
02:39:19,830 --> 02:39:17,320
through these challenging times of of

3480
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:19,840
our country right now and the world but

3481
02:39:24,210 --> 02:39:21,610
we'll get through all of this together

3482
02:39:26,360 --> 02:39:24,220
thank you so much thanks Jaime for

3483
02:39:29,580 --> 02:39:26,370
having me on and happy to fill in

3484
02:39:31,950 --> 02:39:29,590
absolutely mad Greg right house just got

3485
02:39:38,270 --> 02:39:31,960
challenged thank you thank you so much

3486
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:38,280
for is okay Riz burke and follow r is a

3487
02:39:45,570 --> 02:39:42,000
tristam fir'd right there on twitter and

3488
02:39:47,820 --> 02:39:45,580
again zen entrepreneur.com is the

3489
02:39:50,280 --> 02:39:47,830
website and all of the books treasure

3490
02:39:52,200 --> 02:39:50,290
hunt the simulation hypothesis and

3491
02:39:54,180 --> 02:39:52,210
startup myths and models are right there

3492
02:39:55,800 --> 02:39:54,190
I'm gonna take a quick break I'll be

3493
02:39:57,810 --> 02:39:55,810
right back I'll even open up the phone

3494
02:40:00,030 --> 02:39:57,820
lines and I'll take a couple of quick

3495
02:40:03,870 --> 02:40:00,040
calls I'll be right back stay with us

3496
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[Music]

3567
02:43:54,879 --> 02:43:53,949
welcome back painted black I am your

3568
02:44:01,629 --> 02:43:54,889
host Jimmy Church

3569
02:44:04,719 --> 02:44:01,639
big thanks to Risberg I just just his

3570
02:44:07,300 --> 02:44:04,729
his mind and the way it works it's just

3571
02:44:09,669 --> 02:44:07,310
incredible incredible and if you ever

3572
02:44:11,069 --> 02:44:09,679
get a chance to meet rizz just go up

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3574
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and and and start a conversation he's

3575
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absolutely incredible he hangs out at

3576
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most of the conference's I mean he's

3577
02:44:24,039 --> 02:44:21,199
come to communities like rizz you're

3578
02:44:26,289 --> 02:44:24,049
here so yeah absolutely

3579
02:44:29,169 --> 02:44:26,299
an amazing conversation thank you so

3580
02:44:32,889 --> 02:44:29,179
much for is and go and visit his website

3581
02:44:35,949 --> 02:44:32,899
and all of his books are great and now

3582
02:44:37,389 --> 02:44:35,959
my question was and I've got a couple of

3583
02:44:43,209 --> 02:44:37,399
calls on hold I'm gonna grab them right

3584
02:44:48,760 --> 02:44:43,219
now my question was would you upload

3585
02:44:52,749 --> 02:44:48,770
yourself into the world of Tron there

3586
02:44:55,689 --> 02:44:52,759
are complications with it for me but if

3587
02:44:58,389 --> 02:44:55,699
certain things could be overcome right

3588
02:45:01,419 --> 02:44:58,399
like it is actually you and you get to

3589
02:45:06,189 --> 02:45:01,429
experience that world I mean I don't

3590
02:45:08,919 --> 02:45:06,199
know if it will be done 101 brain cell

3591
02:45:11,349 --> 02:45:08,929
at a time you know IIIi don't know how

3592
02:45:12,819 --> 02:45:11,359
the consciousness would transfer because

3593
02:45:16,329 --> 02:45:12,829
you would want it to be you but let's

3594
02:45:20,260 --> 02:45:16,339
say that that is successful this this

3595
02:45:24,819 --> 02:45:20,270
meatsuit goes away right your brain your

3596
02:45:28,029 --> 02:45:24,829
memories removed and then moved not and

3597
02:45:31,209 --> 02:45:28,039
it doesn't stay here right it would have

3598
02:45:34,239 --> 02:45:31,219
to go so it goes and eventually you

3599
02:45:36,519 --> 02:45:34,249
would phase out your this goes away your

3600
02:45:38,050 --> 02:45:36,529
vision every you know and that's it

3601
02:45:42,429 --> 02:45:38,060
you're you're done

3602
02:45:46,839 --> 02:45:42,439
this this goes and now you exist in a

3603
02:45:49,239 --> 02:45:46,849
virtual reality would you do it seven

3604
02:45:51,459 --> 02:45:49,249
four seven two two eight two zero five

3605
02:45:53,849 --> 02:45:51,469
one let's go to the phones hi you're

3606
02:45:58,080 --> 02:45:53,859
live on fade to black who's calling

3607
02:46:01,559 --> 02:45:58,090
Oh am I on you are live right now oh

3608
02:46:04,229 --> 02:46:01,569
okay this is Eric from extreme upstate

3609
02:46:08,399 --> 02:46:04,239
New York that was such a great thing I

3610
02:46:11,130 --> 02:46:08,409
was uh oh yeah that was great I was

3611
02:46:16,019 --> 02:46:11,140
looking for Greg but that was awesome

3612
02:46:19,260 --> 02:46:16,029
yeah Greg this is and I brought this up

3613
02:46:23,519 --> 02:46:19,270
and I want to get back to my question to

3614
02:46:26,489 --> 02:46:23,529
you but Greg coming on the show it's a

3615
02:46:32,130 --> 02:46:26,499
whole different outlook and opinion

3616
02:46:35,219 --> 02:46:32,140
about what AI is and the concerns of the

3617
02:46:37,949 --> 02:46:35,229
good and bad it doesn't matter would be

3618
02:46:40,889 --> 02:46:37,959
a totally different outlook and we will

3619
02:46:43,260 --> 02:46:40,899
have Greg on the show and we will

3620
02:46:46,199 --> 02:46:43,270
continue this ai conversation like I

3621
02:46:49,199 --> 02:46:46,209
said if I had Sam Harris on the show if

3622
02:46:51,330 --> 02:46:49,209
I had Elon Musk on the show we're gonna

3623
02:46:55,889 --> 02:46:51,340
get a totally different outlook and doom

3624
02:46:58,710 --> 02:46:55,899
and gloom Nick Bostrom right these these

3625
02:47:02,550 --> 02:46:58,720
these guys have their own take on things

3626
02:47:05,699 --> 02:47:02,560
and they're all very smart so well Eric

3627
02:47:09,359 --> 02:47:05,709
the question is if you could upload

3628
02:47:14,699 --> 02:47:09,369
yourself and and live in a virtual world

3629
02:47:17,819 --> 02:47:14,709
immortality man is is now in play do you

3630
02:47:22,069 --> 02:47:17,829
do it oh that's the question I feared

3631
02:47:25,170 --> 02:47:22,079
the most and here you're rescuing I

3632
02:47:27,809 --> 02:47:25,180
think that's gonna happen anyway because

3633
02:47:30,630 --> 02:47:27,819
our consciousness goes on forever we

3634
02:47:32,790 --> 02:47:30,640
don't have to worry about that you know

3635
02:47:38,869 --> 02:47:32,800
what I mean but you're avoiding the

3636
02:47:41,819 --> 02:47:38,879
question like it so what do you do it I

3637
02:47:43,519 --> 02:47:41,829
don't need to do it I'm not gonna do it

3638
02:47:47,309 --> 02:47:43,529
you wouldn't do it

3639
02:47:51,809 --> 02:47:47,319
no our consciousness goes on forever and

3640
02:47:54,960 --> 02:47:51,819
you know that okay but let's let's throw

3641
02:47:59,340 --> 02:47:54,970
a couple of caveats in here remember now

3642
02:48:04,260 --> 02:47:59,350
in this virtual reality this world of

3643
02:48:06,350 --> 02:48:04,270
Tron you've got no disease we may not

3644
02:48:09,591 --> 02:48:06,360
have to sleep you may

3645
02:48:12,190 --> 02:48:09,601
wanna sleep just because you need to

3646
02:48:16,450 --> 02:48:12,200
relax your brain for a minute because

3647
02:48:19,640 --> 02:48:16,460
you now have an infinite opportunity as

3648
02:48:22,211 --> 02:48:19,650
Eric not in the karmic world of

3649
02:48:26,360 --> 02:48:22,221
consciousness living forever and

3650
02:48:29,390 --> 02:48:26,370
reincarnation and starting over no here

3651
02:48:33,470 --> 02:48:29,400
you get to learn and accumulate

3652
02:48:40,041 --> 02:48:33,480
knowledge and invent and create forever

3653
02:48:43,400 --> 02:48:40,051
I say nay because we already do that

3654
02:48:47,690 --> 02:48:43,410
Jimmy and I think you know that really

3655
02:48:51,020 --> 02:48:47,700
our consciousness goes on forever and we

3656
02:48:54,200 --> 02:48:51,030
are reincarnated forever and we learn

3657
02:48:57,320 --> 02:48:54,210
from all our past lives and I think you

3658
02:49:01,041 --> 02:48:57,330
know that so you wouldn't do it all

3659
02:49:02,930 --> 02:49:01,051
right okay all right now scenario number

3660
02:49:09,470 --> 02:49:02,940
two I'm gonna give you one more

3661
02:49:12,501 --> 02:49:09,480
opportunity to say yes no a whole lot I

3662
02:49:14,541 --> 02:49:12,511
said no the challenges can I get you to

3663
02:49:17,720 --> 02:49:14,551
say yes that's the you know that's the

3664
02:49:24,881 --> 02:49:17,730
challenge why do you want me to say is

3665
02:49:30,400 --> 02:49:24,891
this the opportunity is there for you to

3666
02:49:34,430 --> 02:49:30,410
upload yourself and command a starship

3667
02:49:38,081 --> 02:49:34,440
for ten thousand years to go to a planet

3668
02:49:41,301 --> 02:49:38,091
that we know has another intelligent

3669
02:49:45,680 --> 02:49:41,311
civilization on it and you are going to

3670
02:49:50,001 --> 02:49:45,690
pilot this starship now do you upload

3671
02:49:50,841 --> 02:49:50,011
yourself no you don't want to go to

3672
02:49:55,160 --> 02:49:50,851
another world

3673
02:49:58,461 --> 02:49:55,170
no we already do this we already do it

3674
02:50:00,410 --> 02:49:58,471
we already have this so you've been to

3675
02:50:05,150 --> 02:50:00,420
another you've been to another planet

3676
02:50:09,470 --> 02:50:05,160
have you Eric oh I can't tell you that

3677
02:50:12,171 --> 02:50:09,480
as I said as Jon Leuer said if you've

3678
02:50:16,520 --> 02:50:12,181
seen it you've been on it okay yeah yeah

3679
02:50:19,300 --> 02:50:16,530
no you know what I totally respect your

3680
02:50:23,020 --> 02:50:19,310
tenacity you know and in the

3681
02:50:26,680 --> 02:50:23,030
these kinds of deep these are deep moral

3682
02:50:31,960 --> 02:50:26,690
and philosophical issues deep there they

3683
02:50:34,900 --> 02:50:31,970
are deep and to stay to stay on course

3684
02:50:37,140 --> 02:50:34,910
I think is totally commendable I'm

3685
02:50:41,230 --> 02:50:37,150
impressed

3686
02:50:44,200 --> 02:50:41,240
well I appreciate your opinion yeah but

3687
02:50:47,470 --> 02:50:44,210
I wanted to edify you on one topic to

3688
02:50:52,120 --> 02:50:47,480
head of my I'm saying that that the

3689
02:50:55,180 --> 02:50:52,130
internet came alive in 1995 that's not

3690
02:50:56,560 --> 02:50:55,190
true it came up in 1969 I've been using

3691
02:50:59,560 --> 02:50:56,570
it since the 70s

3692
02:51:02,140 --> 02:50:59,570
oh sure in the world wide web in 1992

3693
02:51:04,680 --> 02:51:02,150
using mosaic and then Netscape

3694
02:51:09,880 --> 02:51:04,690
so of course I wish you'd stop saying

3695
02:51:13,270 --> 02:51:09,890
1985 no the reason why I say 1995 look I

3696
02:51:16,420 --> 02:51:13,280
I searched the world for my mosaic

3697
02:51:19,600 --> 02:51:16,430
floppy disk you know I did everything I

3698
02:51:22,330 --> 02:51:19,610
could to to get into browsers and and

3699
02:51:24,430 --> 02:51:22,340
and go out there no I totally get that

3700
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:24,440
part of it and no I understand

3701
02:51:36,910 --> 02:51:29,530
what I am saying is when when AOL

3702
02:51:45,760 --> 02:51:36,920
started it was the truly odd no no no

3703
02:51:49,330 --> 02:51:45,770
okay no no 1995 so anyway we could say

3704
02:51:53,860 --> 02:51:49,340
December of 1994 somebody posts up in

3705
02:51:58,420 --> 02:51:53,870
Twitter when AOL 1.2 right I don't think

3706
02:52:01,540 --> 02:51:58,430
AOL 1.0 was ever an actual option but

3707
02:52:04,390 --> 02:52:01,550
when that came online that was the

3708
02:52:09,610 --> 02:52:04,400
beginning of the interconnectivity of

3709
02:52:14,050 --> 02:52:09,620
people not only conversing but it was a

3710
02:52:16,060 --> 02:52:14,060
true true connectivity it wasn't even

3711
02:52:18,640 --> 02:52:16,070
the true Internet al well didn't even

3712
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:18,650
have a browser tied to it and and

3713
02:52:24,040 --> 02:52:21,770
getting off of AOL to a website that was

3714
02:52:27,340 --> 02:52:24,050
difficult you know you had to go back

3715
02:52:31,060 --> 02:52:27,350
into the Mozilla world off of AOL and

3716
02:52:34,630 --> 02:52:31,070
and get that first

3717
02:52:39,011 --> 02:52:34,640
there was a Mozilla and what was the

3718
02:52:41,410 --> 02:52:39,021
other Netscape right yeah Netscape came

3719
02:52:44,261 --> 02:52:41,420
right after mosaic yeah

3720
02:52:47,400 --> 02:52:44,271
and so yeah I had that to escape and

3721
02:52:53,230 --> 02:52:47,410
then the Netscape turned into Mozilla uh

3722
02:52:56,020 --> 02:52:53,240
yeah okay I'm getting posed here 1995 is

3723
02:52:59,140 --> 02:52:56,030
what is coming up here in Twitter so

3724
02:53:03,340 --> 02:52:59,150
yeah I'm always I just know that

3725
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:03,350
timeline really well I but there's no

3726
02:53:09,340 --> 02:53:06,640
question you know wait a minute here

3727
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:09,350
Mozilla hold on a minute

3728
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:13,210
there was no way Mozilla was out 1992

3729
02:53:19,180 --> 02:53:16,010
impossible there well that's not that's

3730
02:53:23,350 --> 02:53:19,190
not true no you just I thought you just

3731
02:53:28,480 --> 02:53:23,360
said you you had Mozilla in 1992 no I

3732
02:53:33,040 --> 02:53:28,490
had a Netscape was 1995 for sure okay

3733
02:53:36,270 --> 02:53:33,050
mozo I had Lycos I had the mosaic mosaic

3734
02:53:41,580 --> 02:53:36,280
turned into Netscape they're all from

3735
02:53:45,220 --> 02:53:41,590
University of Illinois champaign-urbana

3736
02:53:48,910 --> 02:53:45,230
and the same one came out with Mozilla

3737
02:53:54,850 --> 02:53:48,920
the same company was Netscape first okay

3738
02:53:57,761 --> 02:53:54,860
I had them all in 92 and I I guarantee

3739
02:54:01,810 --> 02:53:57,771
you I was using the web in 1992 I had a

3740
02:54:03,900 --> 02:54:01,820
web page in 1995 as I was working for an

3741
02:54:07,870 --> 02:54:03,910
University of wisconsin-milwaukee and

3742
02:54:09,700 --> 02:54:07,880
and I had my hands of the internet cable

3743
02:54:17,380 --> 02:54:09,710
it took two hands to go around a cable

3744
02:54:20,980 --> 02:54:17,390
we fed 26 thousand sites okay just just

3745
02:54:22,630 --> 02:54:20,990
just for let's go to some facts here

3746
02:54:24,660 --> 02:54:22,640
because I want I want to make sure my

3747
02:54:27,880 --> 02:54:24,670
brain hasn't been damaged

3748
02:54:33,700 --> 02:54:27,890
Netscape in that scale the Netscape

3749
02:54:39,430 --> 02:54:33,710
itself was founded in 1994 its first

3750
02:54:41,320 --> 02:54:39,440
browser was launched in 1995 okay I'm

3751
02:54:43,450 --> 02:54:41,330
looking at it right here right yeah I

3752
02:54:44,051 --> 02:54:43,460
had mosaic first then I what what -

3753
02:54:48,270 --> 02:54:44,061
Netscape

3754
02:54:53,020 --> 02:54:48,280
well that's true okay let's see here

3755
02:54:55,240 --> 02:54:53,030
mosaic browser okay

3756
02:54:58,120 --> 02:54:55,250
all right and there was lake house and

3757
02:55:04,180 --> 02:54:58,130
there was a Lynx I believe at the time

3758
02:55:07,390 --> 02:55:04,190
these all came out in 1991-92 and I was

3759
02:55:09,761 --> 02:55:07,400
on I was on the web back in nineteen

3760
02:55:12,011 --> 02:55:09,771
that May of 1992 was the first time I

3761
02:55:18,060 --> 02:55:12,021
was on the world wide web which was

3762
02:55:22,961 --> 02:55:18,070
invented in the late 80s okay well it's

3763
02:55:26,950 --> 02:55:22,971
worked out with web site in 1991

3764
02:55:31,600 --> 02:55:26,960
okay well mosaic version 1.0 for

3765
02:55:37,900 --> 02:55:31,610
Microsoft Windows was released in 1994

3766
02:55:41,290 --> 02:55:37,910
from 1994 to 1997 it was it lost ground

3767
02:55:43,091 --> 02:55:41,300
chair to Netscape Navigator but I'm just

3768
02:55:46,841 --> 02:55:43,101
looking at the dates here these are I

3769
02:55:49,480 --> 02:55:46,851
mean I totally I totally remember my

3770
02:55:54,730 --> 02:55:49,490
first laptop when and where I got it and

3771
02:55:56,530 --> 02:55:54,740
and how I was now let's go to I just

3772
02:55:57,881 --> 02:55:56,540
want to do one more look here I said I

3773
02:56:01,440 --> 02:55:57,891
just want to make sure that my brain

3774
02:56:04,570 --> 02:56:01,450
isn't wrong because you're changing my

3775
02:56:06,790 --> 02:56:04,580
Mandela F well I still have the records

3776
02:56:10,740 --> 02:56:06,800
I've got pictures of being in the lab

3777
02:56:17,761 --> 02:56:10,750
I'm in University of wisconsin-milwaukee

3778
02:56:21,610 --> 02:56:17,771
they put my picture on their brochure in

3779
02:56:25,390 --> 02:56:21,620
1992 and we were using Apple computers

3780
02:56:32,620 --> 02:56:25,400
accessing the World Wide Web

3781
02:56:34,091 --> 02:56:32,630
in May of 1992 using mosaic well that's

3782
02:56:35,680 --> 02:56:34,101
what I was using it to have you at his

3783
02:56:37,990 --> 02:56:35,690
choice and then he had the song of the

3784
02:56:40,810 --> 02:56:38,000
day on there and said well how long is

3785
02:56:44,051 --> 02:56:40,820
this gonna how can I keep doing this and

3786
02:56:46,330 --> 02:56:44,061
every week we go back and we get slower

3787
02:56:48,730 --> 02:56:46,340
and slower and so how are they gonna

3788
02:56:50,381 --> 02:56:48,740
keep up with this that's what that was

3789
02:56:52,841 --> 02:56:50,391
my opinion vector and how they gonna

3790
02:56:55,660 --> 02:56:52,851
keep this up yeah ninety nine it was

3791
02:56:57,449 --> 02:56:55,670
loaded onto the web you know yes so 1994

3792
02:57:03,519 --> 02:56:57,459
AOL started mail

3793
02:57:06,429 --> 02:57:03,529
compact disc two homes 1995 yeah 1995 is

3794
02:57:09,909 --> 02:57:06,439
when they reached 1 million members and

3795
02:57:12,279 --> 02:57:09,919
like I said it was 1995 to me is when

3796
02:57:15,789 --> 02:57:12,289
everybody started to get connected but

3797
02:57:19,029 --> 02:57:15,799
there was only 1 million a year later it

3798
02:57:21,989 --> 02:57:19,039
was 5 million you know what's really

3799
02:57:28,769 --> 02:57:21,999
crazy when they bought Time Warner and

3800
02:57:33,539 --> 02:57:28,779
and how large they got and then it was

3801
02:57:37,809 --> 02:57:33,549
I'm gonna say five years later probably

3802
02:57:41,229 --> 02:57:37,819
no 2001 they they did the merger but

3803
02:57:44,459 --> 02:57:41,239
then it's like non-existent today I mean

3804
02:57:46,959 --> 02:57:44,469
it's there people still use AOL but yeah

3805
02:57:49,229 --> 02:57:46,969
still is there yeah I heard that there's

3806
02:57:52,359 --> 02:57:49,239
like nine million people still using AOL

3807
02:57:54,429 --> 02:57:52,369
III you know those just people used to

3808
02:57:57,789 --> 02:57:54,439
collect those discs that's all the time

3809
02:58:01,179 --> 02:57:57,799
was holy crap I had a stack of I had a

3810
02:58:03,550 --> 02:58:01,189
stack of them I I must have had 50 I I

3811
02:58:05,499 --> 02:58:03,560
must have had 50 and I still don't know

3812
02:58:07,479 --> 02:58:05,509
why Eric I've got to get out of here in

3813
02:58:09,880 --> 02:58:07,489
roll credits thank you for the phone

3814
02:58:13,869 --> 02:58:09,890
call my man and we know that you're not

3815
02:58:17,559 --> 02:58:13,879
going to go to another planet on an

3816
02:58:22,809 --> 02:58:17,569
upload good for you I'll talk to you

3817
02:58:24,789 --> 02:58:22,819
thank you Gobekli Tepe and with that

3818
02:58:27,489 --> 02:58:24,799
I've got to get out of here I want to

3819
02:58:31,449 --> 02:58:27,499
thank rizz Burke just an amazing show

3820
02:58:33,519 --> 02:58:31,459
and for him to come in last minute and

3821
02:58:36,340 --> 02:58:33,529
have that kind of show tonight is one of

3822
02:58:39,279 --> 02:58:36,350
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3823
02:58:40,899 --> 02:58:39,289
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3824
02:58:42,820 --> 02:58:40,909
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3825
02:58:44,410 --> 02:58:42,830
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3826
02:58:48,100 --> 02:58:44,420
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3827
02:58:51,040 --> 02:58:48,110
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3828
02:58:54,370 --> 02:58:51,050
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3829
02:58:56,770 --> 02:58:54,380
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02:58:59,950 --> 02:58:56,780
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02:59:02,980 --> 02:58:59,960
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02:59:04,420 --> 02:59:02,990
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02:59:06,580 --> 02:59:04,430
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02:59:08,801 --> 02:59:06,590
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02:59:10,390 --> 02:59:08,811
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02:59:12,070 --> 02:59:10,400
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02:59:15,100 --> 02:59:12,080
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02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:15,110
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02:59:20,710 --> 02:59:17,210
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3840
02:59:24,090 --> 02:59:20,720
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